GH13 Panasonic VS Canon, Mac VS PC Win 7 - the ridiculous war / herd mentality

Blackout said:
another reason I use Win 7 is because I work small and fast and I can pop them memory card right into my hd laptop and check shots where as mac can't even see it...
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You mean you can watch the clips straight off the card without importing? That would be nice.
 
You can already do this on OSX via VLC or Panasonic's avccam importer QT plugin.


I enjoy threads decrying a herd mentality where supporters and eventually the OP display a herd mentality. They're wacky.
 
You can read clips straight from the SD card in Premiere on a Mac too - Michael, beware of exposing yourself as the "my way is the best way" person you have being ranting about!
 
Movist is a great way to play files directly from the card on a Mac as well. Plays fullscreen and is a great way to check some footage very quickly. The player is free and while it may not decode the files with the best quality it looks very good for a quick view. I noticed 24p doesn't play back as smooth as in Premier or FCP but again it works great for a quick view.
 
Thanks for the tips, folks. My laptop isn't my editing machine (or very powerful), so I rarely bothered to import stuff onto it to check footage. I might try VLC or Movist to see if it's useful for me. Thanks a lot!
 
Lucas Adamson said:
Using the word "gay" interchangeably with "lame" is pretty inappropriate on a public forum Michael. I hereby register my complaint for this use of the word in this context - it's an open door to homophobia, and I don't think the moderators should tolerate it at all.
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I'm sorry I meant "ghey' as in, "This movie is so ghey." Ie: it sucks. The movie is not homosexual even though it is sucking.

And my way is the best way for me, I don't enforce it on others. Unless of course they are on my crew and I am paying them, then U VILL LISTEN TO DAS COMMANDER BLACKOUT!
 
I worked Apple conventions for years, (as a cameraman and video engineer), and there used to always be banners and posters poking fun at Windows and Intel. The message was clear, "Use a MAC and you are with the 'cool' crowd". Since Apple switched to Intel chips most of that has gone away-funny that...

On a more historically sad note, there was a computer that did it all...the mighty AMIGA. When Commodore bought Amiga and let it drift into limbo was a truly sad day :-(
 
VidE said:
On a more historically sad note, there was a computer that did it all...the mighty AMIGA. When Commodore bought Amiga and let it drift into limbo was a truly sad day :-(
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I built a very nice video editing and FX studio with 4xAmiga 3000 and 3xAmiga 2000s (Newtek video toasters, Vlab motions and Impact Vision 24 cards), they were amazing machines with a great OS and software that was well ahead of its time. AREXX was an incredible scripting environment for linking your apps together into a consistent pipeline, there is still nothing like it around today.

You're wrong though, Commodore launched the Amiga, it was always a Commodore product and they maintained it very well until the Amiga 4000/1200 line. Then... poor marketing, bad decisions with PC clones etc, Commodore went bust. I switched to Silicon Graphics hardware after that (as they were the only other platform that ran Real3D, though they were terrible platforms for video editing), heh, bad moves I have made. PC throughout now. I'm still an Amiga fan boy though, but not going to be dumb enough to invest in any of the wacky Amiga clones or crippled version of Amiga OS around now . Its not exactly that Commodore let the machine go into limbo, they just never understood who actually used them and switched all their focus to making cheap PC clones (where they couldn't compete). They didn't have the structure to support/produce hardware for the small (as it was back then, maybe someone now could actually produce a proprietary box/os for VFX studios and be financially viable) specialist market that sprang up around the desktop and tower versions of the amiga.
 
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Stray, I stand corrected on the Commodore history. I do however like to remind the younger generation that there was a box, with help from Newteks' Toaster card, that ran realtime, full size video, including live mixing and producing CG type nicely keyed over live video, at a time when both Macs and PC's were struggling with postage stamp size video. At a time when just a 100 Mb drive and 8 Mb of RAM were part of a 'high-end' system.
 
I do hope the general argument is OS vs OS, and not hardware, because I thought everyone on the planet knew by now that the modern Apple uses common hardware. And as a long time system builder, the best thing someone can do for themselves is spend some time learning how to build a computer, and then doing it. On top of losing the dependence on "computer techs" to fix stupid problems or perform monkey level hardware swaps, you also gain the benefit of specing out your system with top quality parts that the OEM's (Apple, Dell, HP, blah blah) simply don't use because they cut into their massive profits. The most frequently overlooked, yet one of the most important, pieces of hardware that OEM's ignore, are high quality power supplies. A good PSU with low ripple, proper rail amperage to power those video cards, quality capacitors, etc is what you want. Bad power supplies kill components, yet many times they go unsuspected, and the blame is put on the dead piece of hardware.

As for the OS debate, a true professional should use whatever best suits the project's needs, and should be able to provide evidence describing why that choice was the most logical. "Cuz it's cooler" or "'Cuz that's what my buddy said I should use" are not professional rationale.
 
VidE said:
I worked Apple conventions for years, (as a cameraman and video engineer), and there used to always be banners and posters poking fun at Windows and Intel. The message was clear, "Use a MAC and you are with the 'cool' crowd". Since Apple switched to Intel chips most of that has gone away-funny that...

On a more historically sad note, there was a computer that did it all...the mighty AMIGA. When Commodore bought Amiga and let it drift into limbo was a truly sad day :-(
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I met Tim Jennison and bought a fully loaded Amiga 4000 toaster flyer tower when I was a kid (don't ask how I got the insane money needed) that thing was SWEET!!!!! sooooo ahead of its time, I also chartered the newsgroup rec.desktop.video.toaster


Alex Jones show uses the latest NewTek switcher.
 
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Tyranos said:
I do hope the general argument is OS vs OS, and not hardware, because I thought everyone on the planet knew by now that the modern Apple uses common hardware. And as a long time system builder, the best thing someone can do for themselves is spend some time learning how to build a computer, and then doing it. On top of losing the dependence on "computer techs" to fix stupid problems or perform monkey level hardware swaps, you also gain the benefit of specing out your system with top quality parts that the OEM's (Apple, Dell, HP, blah blah) simply don't use because they cut into their massive profits. The most frequently overlooked, yet one of the most important, pieces of hardware that OEM's ignore, are high quality power supplies. A good PSU with low ripple, proper rail amperage to power those video cards, quality capacitors, etc is what you want. Bad power supplies kill components, yet many times they go unsuspected, and the blame is put on the dead piece of hardware.

As for the OS debate, a true professional should use whatever best suits the project's needs, and should be able to provide evidence describing why that choice was the most logical. "Cuz it's cooler" or "'Cuz that's what my buddy said I should use" are not professional rationale.
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Finally! Rolling your own computer has so many built in advantages. This is the main reason I prefer PC's over Mac's even though the modern Mac is just a PC that runs Mac software. Having said that, my approach was to evaluate that software in terms of desirability and then get the machine it runs on so I use Windows, Linux and Mac OS on the appropriate platforms. Since I'm primarily an editor PP 5.5 seems superior to FCP right now and I like Vegas for shorter projects. FCP X shows great promise but it's not quite ready to meet my needs yet.

The Panny GH1 was so obviously a shooter's camera even in it's lowest form until the hack turned it into King Kong. The GH2 is even better. Now I'm waiting for Canon or even Nikon to advance the tech even further.

I have no absolute loyalty to anything I have to pay for.
 
mcbob said:
You can already do this on OSX via VLC or Panasonic's avccam importer QT plugin.


I enjoy threads decrying a herd mentality where supporters and eventually the OP display a herd mentality. They're wacky.
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Note: IMPORTER .... so you my first find and download something that does not come with mac and then import....

I simply take my memory card out of my GH1/2 and place it in my laptop and watch it in real time or edit it in real time. No downloading, no transcoding, no importing to prores kaka.
 
Blackout said:
Note: IMPORTER .... so you my first find and download something that does not come with mac and then import....

I simply take my memory card out of my GH1/2 and place it in my laptop and watch it in real time or edit it in real time. No downloading, no transcoding, no importing to prores kaka.
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You're still doing exactly what you started off criticising Michael. Zealotry for a particular brand, fanboying and irrational distain for that which isn't your way is rife now in this thread - surely the thread's title suggests this thread wasn't intended to be like that - full of ridiculous war-mongering and herd mentality.

The truth is, there is no requirement to transcode to ProRes on a Mac other than for Final Cut 7, which is now essentially obsolete. I never transcode AVCHD footage on my mac. That kind of proves that you don't have to. Today, I downloaded a 3.5Mb file from Panasonic that instantly made OS X open AVCHD files in the finder, so I can watch them any which way. If that's a hassle, I don't know what easy looks like.
 
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