panasonic spare parts rumor

I don't know if she means that or not. If you discontiue a part then you don't make them anymore Why? My guess is that you don't need them anymore. Why? Because the camera isn't going to be made anymore? Maybe?


They probably made enough to finish the run and they won't be used for repairs. We all know the DVX is going to end someday.
 
Something just occured to me.

What does PCB stand for?

Doesn't it stand for "printed circuit board"?

If so...does that mean all printed circuit boards for the camera have been discontinued?
 
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





In electronics, printed circuit boards, or PCBs, are used to mechanically support and electrically connect electronic components using conductive pathways, or traces, etched from copper sheets laminated onto a non-conductive substrate. Alternative names are printed wiring board (PWB),and etched wiring board. Populating the board with electronic components forms a printed circuit assembly (PCA), also known as a printed circuit board assembly (PCBA).
PCBs are rugged, inexpensive, and can be highly reliable. They require much more layout effort and higher initial cost than either wire-wrapped or point-to-point constructed circuits, but are much cheaper, faster, and consistent in high volume production. Much of the electronics industry's PCB design, assembly, and quality control needs are set by standards that are published by the IPC organization.
 
How are you going to make a camera without that?

Yes they can be fixed but new ones are not going to be made.
 
Now when Jan said that the PCB's are being discontinued she didnt say they werent being manufactured anymore. Thats two different things. I'm betting she's talking about a fully populated PCB with components installed will no longer be provided as a "part".
 
Anybody interested in purchasing a pair of DVX100's? :)
Sounds like we've all purchased cameras with absolutely no resale value.

As much as I appreciate all this site has done for me, the attempts from the higher ups on this site to dispel this so called myth are hard for me to believe.....after all it is DVXUSER.COM.

In the future if my cameras crash, or my PCB is ruined beyond repair doesn't that mean its pretty much done for?

Please fill me in, I'm not a camera technician, nor a manufacturer.

But the discontinued parts rumor was just that, a rumor, and then the threads on this topic disappeared a few times. Then i brought it back up a few times and was told that nothing was being discontinued, and people were mad that I brought up this so called rumor again because IT JUST WASN'T TRUE! Now it's not a rumor anymore however the truth has been altered, there is only 1 small part that is being discontinued....and there is probably a lot more going on than panasonic will ever dare let the consumer know about.

If I sell my DVD's online, and send my consumers empty dvd cases won't I get into some sort of legal trouble? And if panasonic, manufactures a camera with no possible way to repair it shouldn't the same go for them?

All I hope for is that this scenario doesn't become panasonics version of the Iraqi war where the truth is changed ever so slightly every couple of months and before you know it DVX Obsolete.
 
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I don't know about paranoid, but not making parts for a camera should make people think. Jan did say they can be repaired. Just not by replacing the board....but the picture to me is if the parts that make up the DVX are not getting made then it is kind of tough to make new DVX100s. I'm sure they have made extra PCB boards, but how many?


I wish these big companies didn't have to be so hush hush about new stuff.
 
Yes, what I mean is that the fully populated PCBs are not being made. All of the components are still being made and you will continue to be able to have your cameras repaired.

Best,

Jan
 
Zim said:
I don't know about paranoid, but not making parts for a camera should make people think. Jan did say they can be repaired. Just not by replacing the board....but the picture to me is if the parts that make up the DVX are not getting made then it is kind of tough to make new DVX100s. I'm sure they have made extra PCB boards, but how many?


I wish these big companies didn't have to be so hush hush about new stuff.
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Hi,

1. All of the parts are still being made.
2. If it were hush hush, I don't think we would be talking about it here as no one would have been told.
3. This has been blown up to proportions out ranking the reality. The parts are available, it is just at the component level.

Please, this is not a huge issue, this is what happens over a couple of years and frankly I can point to dozens of products that are in this boat that are current products.

Thanks,

Jan
 
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You guys are getting paranoid. I'm ready for the aluminum foil hats to come out any second here.
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I laughed.

OK Jan I think that all sound fair enough and the paranoia can take a rest.

My question Jan, from an end users perspective. So a camera needs a replacement PCB board, no problem all the components are available so it CAN be done. But what of the end cost to the user who's out of warranty?
 
Bench time.

That's what will hurt with any repairs now.

In the old days...bad board? Just swap it out for a new one. An hour tops!

Now? Component level repairs will add hours and dollars to the equation. It can be done but, I've made my own tough decision. Nothing lasts forever! Not knocking the camera at all. But repairs and maintenance can not be ignored when anyone puts hard earned money down to buy a product.

My engineers have a base hourly bench time rate of US$125. That's for their time. Parts, of course, are additional. I've sat with my engineers before as we tried to trace a problem all over a board. The thing is, when you are at the component level, lots of things can go wrong. Especially with capacitors which age even if the unit is never turned on. A sad truth is if one component is going or "gone", others are not far to follow.
 
well Jan is it going to cost a small fortune to get the DVX100 fixed now?

Speaking of DVX100's,,,how long does it take to ship them here? How are they coming? Library rate? A really slow boat? Have they left japan yet?
 
If they are not being reproduced then a technician will have to go over a damaged pcb and find exactly what is wrong which will be much more expensive to fix.

My favorite part of this entire ordeal is that DVXuser chose to censor those of us with concerns, telling us that nothing was being discontinued and now it is but apparently "not such of a big deal". I love the fact that the lies are growing and changing each day, it's not paranoia but a bitter reality which is just being swept under the carpet until the camera is off the market.

here's the breakdown....."spare parts being discontinued-thread deleted" "2nd thread on this topic deleted", and a third. Now a panasonic rep tells us only a small part is being discontinued. My favorite part is that they actually use the term "component level" .....do you actually know what that means?? Now panasonic has abandoned its consumers and left them to seek out repairs and fend for themselves. Leave it to a technician to spend countless hours on your pcb to find out exactly where the problem lies, trust me, it will cost much more for the consumer if we need to have it repaired at component level.

People need to open their eyes, forget what the "admins" tell us, or a panasonic rep who is paid to speak on behalf of the company and it's bests interests. Remember, they are in business to make money, they won't reveal anything until it's too late for the consumers, because of the profits they may stand to lose if "an untrue, not so true, ok it's true" rumor were to make headlines.
 
Just to be clear about electronics. All circuit boards are "printed". That's how they are mass produced.

Secondly, there is more than one printed circuit board inside the camera. They all do different things but they are all "pcb"s.
 
wow... are you guys trying to get Jan to leave?? Do you realize she is one of the most useful assets this board has?? Did you read why the threads were deleted? This mob mentality thing is pathetic. One person says one thing and someone else thinks it means something else and holy crap now the world is going to end.

I'm glad I dont have time to worry about things like this. Or maybe I'm just too afraid that one day I'll become paranoid...

I would like to know where panasonic abandoned its customers??? You expect them to make every part all the time for the rest of their lives? If they do that then costs will rise and guess who gets to pay for that?!? The customers. People need to calm down and chill out. Rant over. I hope this thread gets deleted too.
 
Surf, your threads were basically "DVX is dead, run for the hills, all spare parts are discontinued, flee for your lives." Those posts were deleted, pending getting confirmation. And now we've got confirmation that those incendiary posts were indeed overblown and overstated. Has there been a change? Apparently yes, and it's apparently (and I say apparently because I am taking Jan at her word and have no knowledge of any circumstance to challenge this) but apparently this happens to other products as well, and there are several other products that are in this same state. And yet nobody shouts "fire" in a crowded theater over it.

Funny how this goes -- you spread this misinformation (and it's been proven that it was misinformation) as if it's true and you start shouting "warning, warning, danger will robinson" and just like any other moderator on any responsible forum, we delete those incendiary/inflammatory messages and refer over to the company for an official statement. When we get that official statement, we have it posted here and -- guess what -- this thread *doesn't* get deleted. Because we're sharing information with our users. But you're upset because when you shouted "fire" in a crowded theater, we took the responsible course of action and didn't allow an unsubstantiated, damaging rumor to stand? We're not the National Enquirer here. We go to the source, we get confirmation. But you characterize that as "the lies continue to grow"?

I don't know what you want, but if you think that asking a company representative to give us the definitive word on a controversial subject is "allowing lies to grow" and "censorship", then you and we have a very different idea of what being a responsible community is.
 
I heard that Paris Hilton is designing her own 24p camera that is modular, shoots 4k video on with storage of only 1MB per minute, and that she will be buying Panasonic U.S. and liquidating it to eliminate the competition. The camera will come with snappable skins to match any outfit. The camera will retail at $200 and 100% of the profit will go to supporting children that Angelina and Brad almost adopted. The finalists if you will.

Any truth to this?
 
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