NorBro
Major Contributor
Well, I mean come on...we're talking about a product line, not invested emotional feelings whether a full-frame sensor is necessary or not.
If they decide to sell a full-frame camera they need a full-frame mount.
Panasonic S1H Announcement Tuesday, August 27th
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Well, I mean come on...we're talking about a product line, not invested emotional feelings whether a full-frame sensor is necessary or not.
If they decide to sell a full-frame camera they need a full-frame mount.
A) It is not selling well, what with the new mount and Panasonic being new to full frame.
B) Z6 and EOS R are also discounted from their original prices. The photo/video industry is in deep doo-doo.
C) Panasonic will just have to grin and bear it. EF is a competitor's mount and an outgoing one at that. L, at least, has potential.
D) The videocentric hybrids are a fairly small portion of the market and have to contend with used pro gear, the still feasible GH series and the independents like BMD (Pockets, UMP) and Z-cam.
E) Auto Focus is one of the main reasons to own a hybrid and Panasonic's implementation of it seems far below Sony's and Canon's.
F) The pricing for a newbie was perceived as far too high and the paid V-log almost an insult.
G) Lack of reasonably priced - Leica ain't it - lenses.
H) Lack of the internal - and currently external - Raw.
B) Z6 and EOS R are also discounted from their original prices. The photo/video industry is in deep doo-doo.
C) Panasonic will just have to grin and bear it. EF is a competitor's mount and an outgoing one at that. L, at least, has potential.
D) The videocentric hybrids are a fairly small portion of the market and have to contend with used pro gear, the still feasible GH series and the independents like BMD (Pockets, UMP) and Z-cam.
E) Auto Focus is one of the main reasons to own a hybrid and Panasonic's implementation of it seems far below Sony's and Canon's.
F) The pricing for a newbie was perceived as far too high and the paid V-log almost an insult.
G) Lack of reasonably priced - Leica ain't it - lenses.
H) Lack of the internal - and currently external - Raw.
filmguy123
Veteran
Not surprised at all at the slow launch. You have to start somewhere. When the S2 launches I think it will be a different story, as there will be a large range of pre existing sigma and Panasonic lenses + adapters.
I also suspect the current camera line will be a bit of a late bloomer and experience a healthier 2020. It’s a preposterously good system, adapts most everything, and native sigma glass is an excellent bang for buck.
I also suspect the current camera line will be a bit of a late bloomer and experience a healthier 2020. It’s a preposterously good system, adapts most everything, and native sigma glass is an excellent bang for buck.
Matt Gottshalk
Resident Preditor
I have a hard time squaring that review with all of the 5 star reviews on B&H for the S1.
Something is a little fishy.
Something is a little fishy.
Mitch Gross
Veteran
A full frame sensor is literally larger than an MFT mount, so it is physically impossible to marry the two.
Mitch Gross
Veteran
Reports on the success of the S1 series cameras are highly speculative and rather inaccurate. The cameras are selling.
cyvideo
Veteran
100% agree with you, wish it was that easy to not use them. If you walk into a venue that is peppered with these crap lights where you have no control or say over the use of them then you have to work with them. Work around and with the problem... sadly.
Chris Young
filmguy123
Veteran
I don't get any criticism on L-mount from a non-AF concerned video POV. I'd be happy to see an L-mount EVA2 as it would adapt nearly everything much easier.
Cary Knoop
Veteran
Honestly, I do not understand how your reply is relevant to what I wrote.
Sure, if you've got no control over the setup then you will have to sacrifice the color fidelity of your shoot to accommodate bad lighting. When I can I like to scout the location before I shoot, so I can give people a heads up if I see problems. ( usually it's more audio related than anything else )
Kevin Kelly
Active member
Has anyone tried using a UV filter when shooting under these blue LEDs?
I am pretty sure it's not a UV problem. It seems to be caused by a massive blue spike in the spectrum these lights produce.
Mitch Gross
Veteran
I thought you were suggesting using an MFT mount on a full frame camera.
If what you are saying is that Panasonic should concentrate on MFT and not pursue full frame, my response would be two-fold.
1 - The VAST majority of the market has requested full frame products from us. We are not going to ignore what clients want.
2 - Who says that offering full frame products means that MFT will not be continued? As long as there is reasonable demand we will continue to offer the products.
Cary Knoop
Veteran
Yes, that's what I was aiming at.
That is interesting, the demand is from the video-centric or the photography-centric market?
If it is the video market that honestly surprises me. I am sure it must be me but I just don't see the need for full-frame video cameras. Most productions on video happen actually with even smaller than MFT sensors.
Sure there are the "I can't use lights for xyz excuses so I need a low light-sensitive camera and full-frame will help", but that's not going to be the case in any but the lowest profile productions.
If it is mostly for photography, then good luck!
I suppose I am a pessimist but I think that Canon and Nikon die-hards will simply not change because Panasonic comes out with yet another competing mount.
That remains to be seen. We have not heard much from Panasonic lately about MFT cameras, also no firmware updates either.
Right now the only thing that Panasonic MFT has over the new video-oriented competition, i.e. BM Pocket and some of the new Chinese kids on the block is IBIS.
I think their crippled color science and lack of raw support on the GH models start to become a negative differentiator quickly.
Now if Panasonic would come out with a GH6 that has a GH5s or better sensor, IBIS, raw over USB-c and real V-Log gamma and gamut then they stand a chance otherwise it is waiting for BM or some Chinese company to provide a model with IBIS and then the video advantage is simply gone.
With the S1 series, Panasonic have torpedoed M43. Once buyers whiff a notion they will be abandoned, whether by Panasonic or the supporters, it's dead and they won't be back. Panasonic is playing a long game here with FF. As fervent their desire to be on the bandwagon, they took a risk. What Cary says is correct, now it remains to be seen.
I'm pretty sure MFT is not taking on water, so chill out. You guys are getting a little to antsy to call MFT dead.
If a poster on a different site is correct, Sony has a new 41 MPX MFT sensor. Presuming that it will be deployed by the MFT coalition, the question is whether it will be as videocentric as the previous iterations of the GH series or whether it will be more geared toward photo. And that's because with 41 MPX, you would either have a major crop into even 6K or you will have to go full 8K. And then the follow-up question is on the consumer 8K or pro 8K, since a pro version will have to compete with own S1 and S1H on its Kayness.
So, a possible scenario would be a very nice stills camera with a somewhat "underdeveloped" video WRT codec, crop/bin, media, AF, etc.
And a bunch of sub-$1,000 "stills first" models.
So, a possible scenario would be a very nice stills camera with a somewhat "underdeveloped" video WRT codec, crop/bin, media, AF, etc.
And a bunch of sub-$1,000 "stills first" models.
Seems like this one is being dropped for nearly every camera except broadcast and I winder why...
