Panasonic S1H Announcement Tuesday, August 27th
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Thanks for sharing this. The cage he rigged showcases the versatility of the S1H and it's L-Mount and it's ability switch between different lens mounts. That's one lean mean PL-Mount 6K shooting machine! Very much looking forward to seeing what how the ProRes RAW from the S1H looks.
I'm starting to wonder if the Ninja V is the best RAW monitor/recorder for the SH1. Maybe a 5inch screen isn't large enough to pull critical focus when shooting 6K, and the SH1 would be served by a 7inch Shogun. It's possible the size of the Ninja V screen is the reason a few of the shots in the launch videos were a bit soft. The Shogun will add some bulk to the setup but I'm thinking it's larger screen could make it a better recorder if you are a solo shooter pulling focus while shooting.
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As of now, the Ninja V is the only device that Atomos has announced they will be adding S1H RAW support to:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/atomos-web-uploads/press/Press-Release-Atomos-Panasonic_S1H.pdf
It's possible they might add this support to the Shogun 7, although at $1495 that monitor is a pretty big price increase over the $695 Ninja V. Both the 5" and 7" screens have the same 1920 x 1080 resolution.
From Cinema 5D's interview with the Atomos CEO, it sounds like the older 7" Shogun Inferno is effectively end-of-life and will not be getting new firmware updates:
https://youtu.be/ycFmTdMR-T4?t=832
Since the 7" Ninja Inferno is built around the same platform, it seems possible it won't be getting new firmware updates either. The last firmware update for the Shogun Inferno was in June 2018, while the last one for the Ninja Inferno was even earlier. At the moment, both of those 7" monitor/recorders are still being sold, so if they are discontinued it will leave a pretty big gap in the Atomos product lineup. Maybe Atomos has plans to introduce a new Ninja 7 using the 3000 nit Shogun 7 screen and internals, but they haven't announced anything yet.
With more affordable 8K cameras on the horizon, Atomos will likely need to rework its entire lineup. One would have to assume that, whatever comes out, both 5" and 7" models will be included in the selection. Pricing is anyone's guess but, obviously, the general trend for the monitors/recorders has followed the general electronics/photo-video trend.
Yes I saw Jeromy imply that the Shogun was EOL in another interview and if it's true I think Atomos could have handled the transition better. I see nothing on their website indicating that Shogun Inferno is EOL and when I just checked B&H Shogun Inferno variants occupy the #1 and #2 bestseller spots. If it really is EOL I think there may be a bunch of irritated customers who bought just bought a Shogun Inferno.
Yes the Shogun 7 and the Ninja V are the same resolution but I think the larger screen might make a difference. If you have a remote focus puller working with FIZ who is viewing a 2X or 4X image on another monitor it might be OK, but if you are also using the monitor to frame I think shooting a 5" monitor is asking for trouble. Someone more talented than me might be able to do it but I expect I would just have a number of disappointments. The Sumo is also 1080P but it's larger 19" screen is part of it's value proposition.
The Shogun 7 does cost quite a bit more but if you're planning on shooting and editing 6K RAW I don't think the price difference is much of an impediment for professional work. My guess is most S1H shooters will just use the low data rate internal codecs but the Shogun 7 is actually seems pretty reasonably priced even when you consider it just as a monitor.
NorBro
Major Contributor
If SmallHD got into the game, their recorders might be more expensive than the cameras, ha.
Manufacturers (or potentially new ones) also need permission from Apple to use ProRes or ProRes RAW (which is supposedly a difficult process).
Nevertheless Atomos is in a great position to completely "ARRI" the game and seal the deal.
Manufacturers (or potentially new ones) also need permission from Apple to use ProRes or ProRes RAW (which is supposedly a difficult process).
Nevertheless Atomos is in a great position to completely "ARRI" the game and seal the deal.
Cary Knoop
Veteran
Not providing firmware updates is unreasonable (I have been waiting for pass-through timecode start signals) on such a relatively current product.
I am definitely not a fan of Atomos' flashy "sell and move on" marketing.
Blackmagic just joined the fray.
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagicvideoassist
Are they ? The only affordable 8K I've seen is the compact model from Sharp which I expect to be priced in the $3K - $4K range, and the Z Cam E2 F8 at $6K. I'm not anticipating a stampede to 8K any time soon. ( 5 years from now I expect to be shooting 6K to produce a 4K final, because 8K adoption is going to be a struggle at best )
This is what I think it going to happen. A $1,000 - $1,200 Ninja 7 with a daylight viewable HDR screen.
Yeah, it's one of the few videos where I've seen the S1H decked out as a low cost production camera. Very interested to see full tests of the final camera once it's ready.
NorBro
Major Contributor
For what it's worth the S1H is #3 (at least on my end) on the B&H 'Best Sellers' list (cinema cameras classification) I always share here with the badges.
But for whatever reason it currently doesn't have a badge. It's sitting between the Pocket 4K (6K is #1 with a #1 badge) and the E2. UMP G2 is #5 and FX9 is #6. [Some of these positions fluctuate (especially the G2 and FX9 which switch spots daily)].
But for whatever reason it currently doesn't have a badge. It's sitting between the Pocket 4K (6K is #1 with a #1 badge) and the E2. UMP G2 is #5 and FX9 is #6. [Some of these positions fluctuate (especially the G2 and FX9 which switch spots daily)].
This is a preorder item, so things may change when it is finally shipping.
NorBro
Major Contributor
Preorders are sales; the system automatically & consistently adjusts. (So canceled preorders are less sales.)
Definitely...they have been making a splash. It will be interesting to see how their 6K and 8K cameras do.
Checking the B&H cine camera best seller list right now...
1- BM Ursa Mini Pro 4.6 K G2
2- Panasonic S1H
3- Z Cam E2 MFT 4K
4- BM P6K
5- BM P4K
6- Sony FX9
7- Canon C200
8- Z Cam E2C MFT 4K
Would be really interesting if B&H graphed this list over 5 years or so.
NorBro
Major Contributor
So two things:
(1) Definitely could be for your country (if B&H has a separate list for countries).
(2) I explained before how the information technology works for this particular system.
If you click 'cinema cameras' you're taken to a default landing page in which the filter selection is 'Best Sellers'. This is not an accurate list.
(2a) This list could consist of a variety of cameras randomly assorted by B&H.
(2b) This list could consist of a variety of cameras motivated by financial resources.
They change since it's a default landing page.
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Here in the USA, if you click on 'Best Sellers' and refresh the system to process the correct list, it's the following (@ 1:25pm EST):
- BM 6K Pocket
- BM 4K Pocket
- Panasonic S1H
- Z CAM E2
- Sony FX9
(1) Definitely could be for your country (if B&H has a separate list for countries).
(2) I explained before how the information technology works for this particular system.
If you click 'cinema cameras' you're taken to a default landing page in which the filter selection is 'Best Sellers'. This is not an accurate list.
(2a) This list could consist of a variety of cameras randomly assorted by B&H.
(2b) This list could consist of a variety of cameras motivated by financial resources.
They change since it's a default landing page.
___
Here in the USA, if you click on 'Best Sellers' and refresh the system to process the correct list, it's the following (@ 1:25pm EST):
- BM 6K Pocket
- BM 4K Pocket
- Panasonic S1H
- Z CAM E2
- Sony FX9
Cary Knoop
Veteran
Regardless of what distributors and dealers want me to believe I use common sense: if it is hard to buy a camera and it sells for a premium on Ebay it means the camera is very popular and if a new camera is in stock and already has price cuts the sales are disappointing.
I think this whole L-mount experiment is firmly in the second category. I expect cuts or "specials" on the S1H shortly after it is released.
I think this whole L-mount experiment is firmly in the second category. I expect cuts or "specials" on the S1H shortly after it is released.
I just logged out, cleared all browser cache and cookies, used a VPN to appear as if I was logging in from Chicago, went to the B&H website which notified me that 2 day shipping was available for Chicago, clicked on the cine camera section, did a refresh of their best seller list, and received identical results as before. So who knows how this list is determined...
I know that web tech is not infallible, but it is interesting to see the B&H best seller lists. ( I don't really care how accurate it is )