Panasonic Layoffs

Hi Jan,

This is more of a post saying "I hope Panasonic is looking at what RED is doing"...I fell in love with the DVX and then the HVX....Panasonic really took leadership and gave us ground breaking products with those two cameras.....but lately I have been feeling like Panasonic is slowly falling behind in technology....
 
Make us roughly this please:

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Sorry if this thread is getting derailed.
 
Thats a killer photochop.

The funny part is that many of us will be shooting on something similar in the next few years. I love pana myself, I hope they come on board the next generation of cams earlier rather than later.
 
Excellent prototype dream photo!

Excellent prototype dream photo!

Man, that photo looks great! now if that was just a Nikon Mount, RED would be crying. yeah, I know that you can't put a 35mm lens on the end of a 1/3 chip camera without a 35mm adapter, but if we are dreaming up prototypes, that would be sick! ("Spot on", for you brits....)
 
mik303 said:
Man, that photo looks great! now if that was just a Nikon Mount, RED would be crying.
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I think you might have missed the point. That's a Micro 4/3 lens mount on there, which means you can get a cheap adapter for Nikon, Canon, Leica, Pentax Screwmount, Contax/Yashica, c-mount, PL mount, anything. Any lens adapter you want, for probably around $50. So you could spend $50 and yeah, it'd be Nikon mount. Or spend a different $50 and it's Canon mount, etc. Spend a couple hundred and it's PL mount, and then you could even put Red Pro Primes on there...

yeah, I know that you can't put a 35mm lens on the end of a 1/3 chip camera without a 35mm adapter, but if we are dreaming up prototypes, that would be sick! ("Spot on", for you brits....)
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This isn't a 1/3" chip camera either, it's 4/3, which is nearly the same size as cinema film.
 
PANASONIC liste please!

PANASONIC liste please!

sorry if my englis is bad.

I think it is more probable than panasonic could make a 2/3 HPX 170 with interchangable lenses. Maybe call it the HPX400. Call it for arround 15,000 bucks almost same as HPX500 but with portability and scability. But you loose weith balance and space for beter settings. inputs, diagramation of the fisical menu bottons, accesibility and overral use.

I have an argument here over panasonic lately off topic!! im sorry i cant wait any more!!!

Due to techonolgy advancements silicon plates, now yealds at 45nm. CMOS´s in each waffle is smaller. They are getting cheaper every 8 moths and there is now more people with more expertiece getting the job done and well done i do admit.

But here is the question? i dont know why Panasonic have put us, knowing the fact that the quality of their products have been expectacular at some models, decide suddenly try to achive profecional quality video with CMOS with their more than physical and visible problematics and try to fix it with software correction.
I think that the raw or master product of a proffecional video recording must alway be the best. Please Panasonic STOP pretendig that your techonolgy in CMOS is allright when it is NOT. Well craftet CCD is worth the price, even at 1/3 you get the right picture, why not offer CCD´s with more size, opening the posibility for more people to express in a better way, the way they see the world.

I think that HPX300 is a big hit at it price point,really, and expetacular camera, but...mm....why CMOS???? why pretend to initiate CHEAP SENSOR INDUSTRY for profetional purpouse and using software for correction? if youve put the same HPX 170 sensor it would be a hit!! I think is not a rational way of treating the ones that make your brand son expectacular at the TV . Internet, or Cinema. I know ill get some critis from this but CCD has prove that is more reliable for a prescise interpretation of visual life cos is analog, we are analog, and all is analog, even the inside working cacacteristics of a proccesor is analog COME ON!!! LOL i cant belevit !!!. Life is analog why capture it initialy on a digital basis!!! I do admit the compression requires alot of "digital" work, but the escence " THE SENSOR" must be more compatible with the way things are. Light is no square wave naturaly.

Please Panasonic get more close to what your customers pray for, They are the best, they are the ones that choos Pro Panasonic hardware and not consumer products. Be aware, Canon and others like ikonoskop or this spanish camera, and the awaitet ottis graspas camera are getting very closer in time,and time you know it flys away.

The fact is thay they will cover a price point suitablle, pretty simple schemics and caracteristics that will be overwelming for some, it will happen. We all desire a camera like what this thread is talking about. A new product space is being created SLRS and this new incoming cameras really shock for their prices.

But still, a new clasic has to emerge and we know what brand we like it to do it they understand that mojo.


We are all waiting then Panasonic.

Thank you for your time and sorry fot my bad grammar and spelling. :)


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This product should have a 4/3 sensor and use the M4/3 system because that allows it to mount just about any lens every made without totally unusable crop factor or vignetting. Furthermore this product should be priced at no higher-slightly higher than the current price for the HPX-170, etc...certainly not $15,000...try $5000.

As for CMOS vs CCD it's been my experience that CMOS can get you a much better image at a much lower price point than CCD chips...and that's why it's being used. I'd rather of a giant CMOS sensor and deal with jello, etc...HPX-300 users have been doing it, so have all of us shooting on vDSLRs...and we don't mind so much...we like our great image quality, thanks.
 
Ben_B said:
Make us roughly this please:

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Sorry if this thread is getting derailed.
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Yea, is it me or is it odd that with all this DSMC technology floating around no one can fit it into a video camera? I mean what's the deal? When are we going to see a low priced video camera with interchangeable lens. Or even a basic lens with a good wide angle like the Panasonic normally come with, that can do the dept of field these SLRs are doing? The tech is right here so the only thing missing seems to be the will. The first person who does it will kill the competition, like Panasonic did back in the day with 24p.

-Nate
 
Yeah, we would hope so. But I figure there's literally thousands and thousands of parts in a new camera, let a lone a new generation of camera. And each of those parts have to developped and approved and tested, and re-configured by consensus, etc. by a huge corporation like Panasonic/Sony/Canon even big American corporations work in the same way. Like a big freighter coming to port.

As much as I would like to see something like this myself, I don't think it will be here before NAB 2010 from any Japanese company, including Canon.

Nathyn said:
Yea, is it me or is it odd that with all this DSMC technology floating around no one can fit it into a video camera? I mean what's the deal? When are we going to see a low priced video camera with interchangeable lens. Or even a basic lens with a good wide angle like the Panasonic normally come with, that can do the dept of field these SLRs are doing? The tech is right here so the only thing missing seems to be the will. The first person who does it will kill the competition, like Panasonic did back in the day with 24p.

-Nate
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SPZ said:
The HPX3000 line should be upgraded to a bigger sensor and keep everything that makes it a winner- AVC INTRA/ULTRA, ENG form factor, P2, variable frame rates, support for different lens mounts, etc. It should come out of the box ready to shoot, excluding lens. This should be Panasonic's own EPIC top of the line. SHould record in AVC Intra/Ultra as well as a form of RAW, and allow 1080 60p and higher frame rates in both 1080p and 720p. SHould be in the bellow 30k price point.
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I disagree with this statement for a basic reason. I don't think Panasonic should abandon CCDs just yet at the high end. I like the option of getting the RED or the 3700. They both create amazing results for a variety of high end productions, however they fufil two very distinct roles. Variety is the spice of life. I don't think anyone at this level could create a 4K CCD without the prices of the units going into Panavision ranges. If they can so be it, I know Leica's new still S series uses a CCD.

Either way, it's hard to get past the RED, it's just such a pleasure to use in every respect, especially with the new RPPs.
 
Gh1

Gh1

@Jan - I have been thinking a bit about this and whether the GH1 is part of the broadcast dep or not, if this puppy had uncompressed HDMI it would leap ahead of most of the other 'professional' offerings in the market.I know what has been debated about ther feasibility of this here and on other forums but this one feature could potentialy save a few jobs - IMHO.Can't Panasonic see this?
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It has a wonderful sensor,awesome ergonomics,is compact and light and can take almost any lens you want to throw at it.Who cares whether it is pro or consumer.
Paired with a nanoflash it would be the best offering as far as value for money goes in the large sensor department.I reckon Pana wouldn't be able to keep up with demand....oh wait ,that may be the case now already he he .

Here is my private rant

http://www.henryolonga.net/Blog/?p=310
 
I don't think Panasonic of America (Broadcast or Consumer) has a lot of input into the product development over @ Matsushita. Or at least not a whole lot that I know of - They're more oriented towards service and sales, and most importantly importing the goods across our borders. Please correct me If I'm wrong.
 
It's not Matsushita anymore, they changed the name officially to "Panasonic" for the entire global worldwide operations.

Second, the USA division does have a lot of input, in that the USA is pretty much the largest single market, but by no means does that mean the USA can just get what they want, because Europe and China and southeast Asia are also all huge markets. So I think the USA (and the other territories) tell the factory what kind of products they believe would sell well in their markets, and then the factory has to decide what to actually build.
 
it's all coming to a clear and concise inevitable point:
someone WILL make a large sensor interchangeable lens motion capture camera.
whoever does so first will gain an unassailable lead on the competition.
it may be red, but I don't believe it will be with the scarlet - it will be whatever red launches as scarlet's successor, or whatever the competition launches as a RIVAL to scarlet.
I predict that we will see the fruition of our dreams in 2011/2012.
don't waste your money until then, if you can afford to not upgrade or jump on the large sensor bandwagon until canon or panasonic give us what we want.
 
Paul V Doherty said:
someone WILL make a large sensor interchangeable lens motion capture camera.
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Of this I have no doubt.

whoever does so first will gain an unassailable lead on the competition.
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Why? Why "unassailable"? Nikon was first with the D90, but I think they got pretty much assailed.

don't waste your money until then, if you can afford to not upgrade or jump on the large sensor bandwagon until canon or panasonic give us what we want.
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You should never spend your money to buy anything that you don't want.
 
don't waste your money until then, if you can afford to not upgrade or jump on the large sensor bandwagon until canon or panasonic give us what we want.

This is a bit obvious, isn't it? Don't buy what you don't need... duh. The problem is: what do I do, when I'm starting production on my feature project March 2010? And preferably I'd like to buy and experiment with a camera at least a few days before, instead of getting a brand new thing 12 hours before principal photography starts. That's the problem. Not buying when you don't need, is not the issue.
 
Barry_Green said:
It's not Matsushi*a anymore, they changed the name officially to "Panasonic" for the entire global worldwide operations.

Second, the USA division does have a lot of input, in that the USA is pretty much the largest single market, but by no means does that mean the USA can just get what they want, because Europe and China and southeast Asia are also all huge markets. So I think the USA (and the other territories) tell the factory what kind of products they believe would sell well in their markets, and then the factory has to decide what to actually build.
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Interesting. Do you know if any R&D and x-type products are being developed states-side? I know their partnership with Leica worked out well (sensors and software for optics and mechanics in every division), but I just saw a white GF1 w/o a Leitz factory logo on the co.jp website. (Sort of like Sony marrying Zeiss on every market level.)

Realizing from your posts that you are an articulate capitalist/economics and common sense proponent, do you never feel that certain products from Sony, Pana etc.. just show up sometimes? Where not the market, but the maker/designer dictate what they think you'll need?
 
Paul V Doherty said:
I predict that we will see the fruition of our dreams in 2011/2012.
don't waste your money until then.
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I don't know, life is short, I'd rather do something now with whatever I can get my hands on, who knows I may get hit by a bus or something before the products you speak of come out.
 
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