GH4 Panasonic GH5 coming in 2017

Those nighttime scenes look pretty good up to 3200. Pretty impressive compared to previous Pani M43 cams.

Neat Video to the rescue at 3200! :thumbsup:
 
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TheDingo said:
I just wish he did a better job with the grade. The color saturation is too high and is ruining the look.
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Yeah, it's a bit pushed but IMO that's a good look for this type of action oriented demo video.

I'm probably biased though as I see a lot vlog graded clips as too flat.
 
Paul F said:
At the link below, Panasonic has the following specification regarding recording time. Does anyone have an educated guess why there is a limitation (heat, battery?).


Actual recordable time (Motion picture) MP4 [4K/60p]: Approx. 50 min (rear monitor), 50 min (LVF) with H-ES12060 / H-HSA12035 / H-FS1206


http://shop.panasonic.com/cameras-a...cameras/DC-GH5KBODY.html#start=1&cgid=cameras
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I'd guess per internal battery which is why they list EVF and LCD. It's longer than the EU camera tax of 30 minutes so I can't think of any other reason.
 
Paul F said:
At the link below, Panasonic has the following specification regarding recording time. Does anyone have an educated guess why there is a limitation (heat, battery?).


Actual recordable time (Motion picture) MP4 [4K/60p]: Approx. 50 min (rear monitor), 50 min (LVF) with H-ES12060 / H-HSA12035 / H-FS1206


http://shop.panasonic.com/cameras-a...cameras/DC-GH5KBODY.html#start=1&cgid=cameras
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I did not find where is specified if this was at 10 bit or 8 or would that make any difference. Even 4K/30p is just 110 minutes, way too short for my needs (events) which usually run 120-150 minutes which is never a problem for the GH4. Looks like decision time for my pre-order.
 
Possible that the 5-axis IBIS draws more power and drains the battery quicker as well? I know I get much shorter battery life on the GH4 when using autofocus lenses vs manual ones.
 
An alternative interpretation may be that it has an internal memory limit like the DVX200, UX90, and UX180 have -- which is that it can only make a file of a certain size before it needs to split into a secondary file. The DVX200 has a 48gb limit which, at 150 mbps, meant about 30 minutes of continuous recording. The UX90 and UX180 have a 96gb limit. They can record continuously, for hours and hours, but they can only make an individual file of up to 96gb. It's possible that the GH5 may have a similar setup; it may not have any actual practical record time limit but it may be limited in how large a file it can make.

When the UX90/UX180 were first released, they had confusing wording which made it sound like they were limited to 96gb recordings only. Something was lost in the translation. I'm thinking it's possible that the same thing is happening with the GH5 perhaps?

Or have any independent testers verified a recording limit, or lack thereof?
 
Paul F said:
At the link below, Panasonic has the following specification regarding recording time. Does anyone have an educated guess why there is a limitation (heat, battery?).
Actual recordable time (Motion picture) MP4 [4K/60p]: Approx. 50 min (rear monitor), 50 min (LVF) with H-ES12060 / H-HSA12035 / H-FS1206
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This is the estimated recording time with the internal battery. If you have an external power source, you can record continuously. If you look at the GH4 page, you will see a similar line in the specifications (even though the GH4 could record for longer than 110 minutes with an external power source):
http://shop.panasonic.com/cameras-a...changeable-lens-ilc-cameras/DMC-GH4KBODY.html

Continuous recordable time (Motion picture) AVCHD: Approx. 220 min with H-HS12035 / AVCHD: Approx. 220 min with H-FS14140
Actual recordable time (Motion picture) AVCHD: Approx. 110 min with H-HS12035 / AVCHD: Approx. 110 min with H-FS14140

Panasonic actually lists two different specifications "Continuous recordable time" and "Actual recordable time" which differ in how much various power hungry camera functions (zoom motors, etc.) are used during testing. See this note from Panasonic about differences between the two:
http://eng-ca.faq.panasonic.com/app...ween-maximum-continuously-recordable-time-and

A lot camcorder specifications (from Panasonic, Sony, Canon, etc.) have similar lines, and again they refer to battery life (as camcorders are designed to record continuously). Camcorders often support different battery types in which case the estimated runtimes will be sometimes be given for different battery types.

One thing that is notable from looking at these battery runtime specs for the GH5, is that the power consumption is quite a bit higher when recording in 4K than when recording in HD. The estimated battery life for 4K/UHD recording (100 to 110 min) is about 2/3 of the battery life in HD recording (150 min). Not terribly surprising, but good to know. Also, the GH5 seems to be somewhat more power hungry than the GH4. Both use the same battery, but even in similar recording modes like AVCHD/1080p, the GH4 runs for 220 min, whereas the GH5 only runs for 150 min.
 
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GH5 seems to be somewhat more power hungry than the GH4. Both use the same battery, but even in similar recording modes like AVCHD/1080p, the GH4 runs for 220 min, whereas the GH5 only runs for 150 min.
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GH5 has bigger and better EVF and screen and it uses more complex sensor down sampling than GH4. 4k 60P is also power hungry.
 
With internal battery being the limiting recording time issue, what are my options for long form power? It seems that there is no external power option except the Panasonic battery compartment (that connects to the bottom of the camera) and two batteries that go into the battery compartment for a total cost of $510.

Does anyone know of another option?

Battery compartment - $350 - - http://shop.panasonic.com/cameras-a...ra-batteries-chargers-adapters/DMW-BGGH5.html

Battery - $80 http://shop.panasonic.com/cameras-a...ra-batteries-chargers-adapters/DMW-BLF19.html

The battery for the battery compartment does not have a watt-hour specification (the internal battery is 14wh). So there is no way to estimate how much longer the two external batteries extend recording time.
 
Paul F said:
The battery for the battery compartment does not have a watt-hour specification (the internal battery is 14wh). So there is no way to estimate how much longer the two external batteries extend recording time.
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The battery grip takes the same batteries as the camera uses internally (DMW-BLF19). Since the battery grip holds one battery, in addition to the internal battery, this would effectively double your overall runtime. There are a variety of compatible third party batteries, if you don't want to buy the genuine Panasonic ones.

Panasonic also sells a external DC power coupler (DMW-DCC12) that let's you use the camera with an external DC power source. With the GH4 (and I'd expect the GH5 to be similar), the external DC power source needs to supply a voltage greater than 8.4V (and less than 10V to be safe) for the camera to recognize that it's running off of external DC power rather than an internal battery. Panasonic also sells an AC to DC power adapter (DMW-AC10) that when used with the DC coupler lets you run the camera indefinitely on AC power. Again there are a variety of 3rd party alternatives to these genuine Panasonic accessories if you do some searching.

Since the GH5 uses the same battery as the GH4, I'd expect many of the same external power solutions designed for the GH4 would work with the GH5 as well.
 
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Paul F said:
With internal battery being the limiting recording time issue, what are my options for long form power?
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You might also want to wait and see if those numbers are accurate in real world use. If it's a power consumption issue, many different factors might contribute to a longer recording time, or a shorter one. I will say if you end up using an AC power adapter, you'll have to watch out for electrical interference, especially in your audio.
 
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Just spent a couple of hours one on one with Panasonic rep and a GH5, the grip holds only one battery. If you run out of power while recording you loose the last 4gb section. Up to four minutes.
 
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