GH4 Panasonic GH5 coming in 2017

All i want is IBIS, punch in for focus check while rolling, just a little bit better low light, XLR audio adaptor (thought i kinda wish it was inside a battery grip so it would be bottom heavy and not top heavy) 10 bit 422.

I wish they would come out with a big bright EVF more like what you find on a video camera as a hot shoe accessory. Like the Gratical but more affordable and integrated.


Actually i wish they would stuff all the electronics in a AF100 body only the size and weight of a DVX100. (don't even get me started on the dvx200, it is way way too big and heavy)


2.9 lbs for the AF100 plus say another 11 oz for a 12-35 2.8 lens is about 3.7 lbs but the dvx200 is 6 lbs (and at leas 7 by the time you add a battery)

rant over
john
 
john deaver said:
I wish they would come out with a big bright EVF more like what you find on a video camera as a hot shoe accessory. Like the Gratical but more affordable and integrated.
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I actually have this for you now for your GH4, and barring something unforseen should work with a future GH5 (it also works with some other DSLRs.) I haven't made it all public, but it's getting there... if you would like to see it or want one now I'm happy to make it available to you.
 
Illya Friedman said:
I actually have this for you now for your GH4, and barring something unforseen should work with a future GH5 (it also works with some other DSLRs.) I haven't made it all public, but it's getting there... if you would like to see it or want one now I'm happy to make it available to you.
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+1, for A7 series too please.
 
Shenan said:
Here's some GH line pricing history to help our wild guessing:

GH1: With 14-140 lens (doesn't seem to have been available body-only for a while) suggested retail $1499.95 (https://www.dpreview.com/articles/9832133443/panasonicgh1price). Wikipedia says it was available body-only for $700 later in its sales life cycle.
GH2: suggested retail $899.95 (body only) or $1499.95 (w/ 14-140) (http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/DMCGH2/DMCGH2PR.HTM).
GH3: list $1300 (http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/panasonic-gh3/panasonic-gh3A.HTM)
GH4: list $1699.99 (https://www.dpreview.com/articles/5...lability-for-lumix-dmc-gh4?comment=1250822284)

So it seems that GH1/GH2 -> GH3 -> GH4 the price went up exactly $400 each time (except the GH2 appears to have been priced similarly to the GH1 if you consider that the 14-140 kit was the same exact price).

If they continue this trend, the GH5 will list at $2100. Personally, I'm in the camp that believes it will be sub-$2000 (but not much lower) given more competition nowadays, but I think they could still make a good case for $2100 because no other camera in this segment will offer what it does. It's also interesting to note that the street prices seem to settle around $200 below the suggested retail after some time (months? one year?) after release. So they could release it at $2100 to settle at $1900 a year out.

PS: Another data point - the new, very video-orientedFZ2500, which was announced the same day as the GH5, is also $400 more than its predecessor. They seem to like those $400 jumps.
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Based on the GH4 release price and the recent price bumps in Pani's cam: My guess for the GH5 release price is $1999-$2199. Hope this post doesn't get anyone's panties in a twist. :nads:
 
You could both very well be right, given the history....but I'm going to guess a more modest increase this time out, for two reasons.

1.) If Panny jumps $2000 with this camera it might lose a certain segment of PHOTOGRAPHERS to the full frame goodness that Canon and Nikon have on offer. As a primarily stills person myself, the GH series have always offered tremendous value and the hybrid capabilities that are cool to have (loved my original GH1) But head north of $2,000 and I'd be getting a D750 for just under $2,000 or a D610 with a great lens for less as well. Those invested in m4/3 will obviously continue on and those who are looking for the ultimate cinema/stills hybrid will too.
But a good deal of potential GH buyers out there are stills shooters, and I think Panasonic will not want to push into that next segment.
2.) The large price increases made sense early on as this was a new system that needed to mature and with each evolution it did. But now it is a mature product, and I suspect at a certain point those jumps can't continue. Just look at Nikons D series....they've held study with each new release with only small jumps or no jumps in some cases.

My guess will be $1899 body only. Of curse I am well aware I could be WAY off, lol
 
One thing I've always wondered about is what percentage of GH4 buyers use it primarily for stills, what percentage of buyers use it primarily for video, and what percentage are true hybrid shooters that spend a decent amount of time doing both.

This being a video forum, I think we may sometimes get a skewed sense of what the camera's user base really looks like.
 
I have no insight on sales of the GH4 and the main use of the camera stills vs video but Panasonic pushes the video aspect of the camera more than the stills. If you take the video features away then it's not really an exciting stills camera. Better offerings are available.

Full frame cameras cost very close to $3K and lenses are much more expensive too so I think if the GH5 is going to be a loaded camera it could easily be $2K and up.
 
On Flicker, ~ 40% of photos are taken by smartphones, ~ 30% by the DSLR's, ~ 20% by point-n-shoot's and only 3% by the mirrorless (2015 stats). Of the DSLR's, about 40% was Canon and 20% Nikon.

Now, if one goes on YouTube, there's a zillion (an unofficial stat) of GH4 made clips.

Following complex algorithms in my head, the inevitable conclusion is that GH4 was bought by most as a video first camera that can also take decent stills. From a consumer perspective, one could have had the photo geared APS-C cameras like Canon 70D/80D, Nikon 7100/7200, 5300/5500, 3300, Sony A5000/5100, A6000/6100, Fuji XT1, etc. for a lot less if the still photography was the primary aim of the shooter.
 
Hope they use CF or Cfast cards instead of SD. I just don't like how small they are, so easy to lose and hard to label. Not a professional friendly format (though yeah, plenty of working people use them).
Canon will not put 10 bit in their DSLRs for the foreseeable future.
I predict Fuji will put 10 bit video in their next generation of mirrorless cameras - the X-T3. The people who run Fuji are aggressive, and smart. Nikon for whatever reason, seems sleepily resting on its DSLR base. Canon has products for every market segment already. Sony is locked into XAVC - S, which is only 8 bit. Only Fuji and Panasonic have market to gain by releasing 10 bit video in still cameras.
 
Doctor Wu said:
Hope they use CF or Cfast cards instead of SD. I just don't like how small they are, so easy to lose and hard to label. Not a professional friendly format (though yeah, plenty of working people use them).
Canon will not put 10 bit in their DSLRs for the foreseeable future.
I predict Fuji will put 10 bit video in their next generation of mirrorless cameras - the X-T3. The people who run Fuji are aggressive, and smart. Nikon for whatever reason, seems sleepily resting on its DSLR base. Canon has products for every market segment already. Sony is locked into XAVC - S, which is only 8 bit. Only Fuji and Panasonic have market to gain by releasing 10 bit video in still cameras.
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likely sdxc UHS-II. its more common and cheaper than Cfast
 
Doctor Wu said:
Hope they use CF or Cfast cards instead of SD. I just don't like how small they are, so easy to lose and hard to label. Not a professional friendly format (though yeah, plenty of working people use them).
Canon will not put 10 bit in their DSLRs for the foreseeable future.
I predict Fuji will put 10 bit video in their next generation of mirrorless cameras - the X-T3. The people who run Fuji are aggressive, and smart. Nikon for whatever reason, seems sleepily resting on its DSLR base. Canon has products for every market segment already. Sony is locked into XAVC - S, which is only 8 bit. Only Fuji and Panasonic have market to gain by releasing 10 bit video in still cameras.
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I used to use big P2 cards before I got a GH4. I had the same concern about the small size of the SD cards but you get used to it.
 
This will probably be the last "pro-friendly" series with SD cards. The next line should have the Universal Flash Storage (UFS), which will allow the in-camera Raw recording.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Flash_Storage

As to Nikon, this looks like the proverbial calm before the storm scenario.

FWIW, an investment house in Japan just upgraded Nikon to 'buy", though primarily due to their lithography business.
 
UFS is intended as a successor to microSD. The cards are about the same size, though they are not directly physically or electrically compatible. Despite that, Samsung, which seems to be the main company pushing UFS forward, has developed a card slot that can accept both UFS and microSD cards.

A big intended use of the new cards is for mobile devices (smartphones, tablets, etc.) and especially in phones, a full size SD card slot takes up too much space inside the device (less space for battery or other electronics). Hence the smaller form factor.

Whether UFS will catch on with larger devices like cameras remains to be seen. It's possible that faster versions of the SD or CFast card standards could be developed, reducing the need for UFS in larger devices. The UFS cards Samsung has announced so far have similar read speeds to CFast cards (500 MB/s), but slower write speeds (170 MB/s for UFS compared to 440 MB/s for some CFast cards). For comparison, the fastest SD cards can do 280 MB/s read, 250 MB/s write, while the fastest microSD cards announced can do 275 MB/s read, 100 MB/s write. So UFS isn't a huge improvement yet, and faster cards will be needed to take full advantage of the higher UFS higher bus speeds.

It's worth keeping in mind that with CFast, the first cards were introduced in 2009 and it wasn't until 2014 until a few cameras started using the format, and it is still far from ubiquitous. So given that the first UFS cards were just announced earlier this year, it may be several years yet until we start seeing any significant usage of the new format.
 
If UFS becomes ubiquitous in smartphones and other portables devices, then their costs will come down quickly due to the scale of production.

And, to address the GH5 prices, 43Rumors posted off a Dutch (online?) store that had a €1,999 quote for Olympus EM-1 MKII. The camera is not released but it seems like a ~ 20% increase off the original. And, if the Panasonic managers are in the same boat, then you might see that dreaded $2,000 price tag also.

PS. The original EM1 was not a 4K model, so their jump may be more warranted. It was retailing for $1,400 upon introduction three years ago.
 
43Rumors reposts Vitaliy K. "behind the IBC'16 scenes" gossip that GH5 and EM-1 MKII will share a more than a few components but that MKII will only have the external 10-bit recording. Which means that GH5 will have some pricing power over it. Which could mean that the $2,000 price talk isn't farfetched.

Personally, I still see it as ~ $1,600 for EM-1 MKII and ~ $1,800 for GH5 but I may indeed be too low.
 
DLD said:
43Rumors reposts Vitaliy K. "behind the IBC'16 scenes" gossip that GH5 and EM-1 MKII will share a more than a few components but that MKII will only have the external 10-bit recording. Which means that GH5 will have some pricing power over it. Which could mean that the $2,000 price talk isn't farfetched.

Personally, I still see it as ~ $1,600 for EM-1 MKII and ~ $1,800 for GH5 but I may indeed be too low.
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Vitaliy also wrote in a followup comment:

"Actual expected time for first batch shipping is from March 2017 to more real August 2017."
 
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