GH4 Panasonic FZ1000 limited to 4G file size during 4K recording?

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ajm1945

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http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/panasonic-fz1000/panasonic-fz1000A.HTM
I can't afford GH4 and expensive lens, so I am thinking about this FZ100, but I found this from above website:
"Maximum clip length is 29 minutes and 59 seconds, regardless of resolution and frame rate. In addition, all MP4 video has a file size limit of 4GB. And all of the above, of course, applies to US cameras. In other markets, 60p/60i rates may be replaced with 50p/50i, and 30p with 25p"


So 100mbps is 12.5 MB per second, 4096M divided by 12.5, that is 5 min and 27 sec, is this right? I know Panasonic will cripple this camera, so no professional will buy it (to replace GH4), but 5 min is just too limited making this camera useless for most people, can someone address this issue here? Thanks!
 
ajm1945 said:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/panasonic-fz1000/panasonic-fz1000A.HTM
I can't afford GH4 and expensive lens, so I am thinking about this FZ100, but I found this from above website:
"Maximum clip length is 29 minutes and 59 seconds, regardless of resolution and frame rate. In addition, all MP4 video has a file size limit of 4GB. And all of the above, of course, applies to US cameras. In other markets, 60p/60i rates may be replaced with 50p/50i, and 30p with 25p"


So 100mbps is 12.5 MB per second, 4096M divided by 12.5, that is 5 min and 27 sec, is this right? I know Panasonic will cripple this camera, so no professional will buy it (to replace GH4), but 5 min is just too limited making this camera useless for most people, can someone address this issue here? Thanks!
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It isn't a camera meant for pro's, it isn't prosumer either, it is a completely consumer camera, as are all Super-Zooms.
 
atarijedi said:
It isn't a camera meant for pro's, it isn't prosumer either, it is a completely consumer camera, as are all Super-Zooms.
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I know it is not meant for pros, that is why 24p is intentionally removed, so is 4K output through HDMI, and external audio monitoring, but if 4K is limited to only 5 min, that is too much hassle, because can't I can't always afford to reset the recording during an active interview, that sort of thing!
Does GH4,G3 has the file size limitation to 4GB? I assume you shul be able to use GH3 to record a 20min interview!
 
I checked my HMC150, the file size is also limited to 4G, but recording does not stop once the file reaches 4.0G, it simply have a new file and the recording continues, during playing, there is no hiccup when HMC150 playing jump from one file to the next one!

Many places also say FZ1000 can record up to 29 min, 59 sec, an artificial limitation forced upon by tax authorities, so does this means FZ1000 simply create a next file once the recording reaches 4G?
 
the 'Maximum Clip Length' limit I believe it is only an issue within the EU, because of certain tax regulations that will qualify the GH4, or any of the GH series cameras prior to it, as a video camera if it can record more than 29:59, i.e. more tax

as for the 4GB size, it is related to the FAT32 file system of your SD Card, in which files, regardless of format, are limited to a maximum size of 4GB. the camera automatically creates a new file which runs continuously after the first 4GB. the only issues I've experienced with this is the inability to scrub through the AVCHD files properly in FCP7.
 
I assume it will stop recording once it hits the 4GB file size, because all cameras will face this issue. The newer cameras will just create a new file, hence it's not an issue for them.
 
It. Will stop recording once it hit the 29mins time. And the video clips will be divided into several 4gb files size due to the sd card fat32 file system. In post you just line up back to back and you will not see any hiccup. To continue just repress record to go for another 29.59mins and so on. This is what we do with canon cameras or any cameras in Europe :)
 
The file size limit I can accept that but the max length of a non stop sequence of only 29 minutes is unacceptable. I used many miniDV tape cameras that record well over 90 minutes before a tape change. Even those were consumer type cameras with headphone jacks and LANC connectors as a given. Try capturing an event that needs more than 30 minutes straight like a play or dance recital, or a graduation ceremony where a full 60 minutes is a must or an ethnic wedding where continuous dances are 40 minutes long EACH. The lame excuse that it is a consumer camera and perhaps the sensor heats up and therefore cannot record continually is just bulls$#t. If the sensor heats up and goes to stop, then it should not really record immediately after that as it would need some cooling time, no?. "To continue just repress record to go for another 29.59mins and so on", what happens to that lost fraction of a second that will come back and bite you later on as the client complains about that glitch ?
I have been doing professional paid work exclusively with consumer cameras for over 40 years. Upgrading them did not require house loans. I shot weddings with 35mm Pentax Spotmatics instead of Hasselblads and videos with Sony Handycams Hi8.
The bottom line was that they were consumer cameras but got the job well done. Well done simply means fully paid without client complaints.
 
Why should you accept the file size limit? They could format the SDXC card using exFAT or NTFS, neither of which has a 4GB file size limit. The Sony AX100 uses exFAT and large file sizes are no problem at all.
 
Norman99 said:
The file size limit I can accept that but the max length of a non stop sequence of only 29 minutes is unacceptable. I used many miniDV tape cameras that record well over 90 minutes before a tape change. Even those were consumer type cameras with headphone jacks and LANC connectors as a given. Try capturing an event that needs more than 30 minutes straight like a play or dance recital, or a graduation ceremony where a full 60 minutes is a must or an ethnic wedding where continuous dances are 40 minutes long EACH. The lame excuse that it is a consumer camera and perhaps the sensor heats up and therefore cannot record continually is just bulls$#t. If the sensor heats up and goes to stop, then it should not really record immediately after that as it would need some cooling time, no?. "To continue just repress record to go for another 29.59mins and so on", what happens to that lost fraction of a second that will come back and bite you later on as the client complains about that glitch ?
I have been doing professional paid work exclusively with consumer cameras for over 40 years. Upgrading them did not require house loans. I shot weddings with 35mm Pentax Spotmatics instead of Hasselblads and videos with Sony Handycams Hi8.
The bottom line was that they were consumer cameras but got the job well done. Well done simply means fully paid without client complaints.
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Uh, I'm not sure if you've been following, but this is a trick many manufacturers use to bypass a particular EU tax. It's not a technical issue at all.
 
How about using that same trick on video cameras that also capture still PHOTOGRAPHS as well.
I can just see them putting a limit on the file size of photos, say low res JPG's, unless you go for the pro models.
That is dangling the carrot in front of you, sure we all want that headphone jack and uninterrupted shooting BUT must we pay the piper for that seemingly small ommitance in the camera's features ?
How many would gladly pay that EU tax as a separate cost to those who need that feature ? Heck, I surely would plunk even a hundred bucks more than that already low price of the camera just to have that feature alone.
Well, Panasonic, you screwed this one up real good. Next time listen to what prosumers really need in a camera, like a headphone jack and NO duration limit.
Sony, are you listening ??
Take that RX10, add 4K in camera capture, speed up that power zoom and put an interchangeable lens mount. Include an external charger, please.
Keep it under a grand like $899
 
Norman99 said:
How many would gladly pay that EU tax as a separate cost to those who need that feature ? Heck, I surely would plunk even a hundred bucks more than that already low price of the camera just to have that feature alone.
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Your user information says New York. Why are you worrying about the EU tax situation?
 
So far I haven't got a definite answer here on that 29 minute limit. Asked even supposedly knowledgeable camera salesman and they all were in doubt, Pana specs don't mention that and even on some reviews it mentions the 29 min. limit. Do I have to pre order one and get a surprise when it arrives ? I live in New York USA, I do over 70 weddings a year with consumer/amateur equipment and no, I am nor ranting about omitted features, I just want to know if I purchase that camera ( most likely 2 or 3 of them) , will it have continuous shooting/capturing without interruption up to the full capacity of the card ?
If you are not sure 100% please do not answer.
 
Seems everyone here in US thinks there is a rec time limit.
Articles say so, salesmen say so, blogs say so , even Panny web site says so....
Can it be so ?
 
Not sure about the States, but from the Panasonic Australia site:

Continuous recordable time (motion pictures):
AVCHD
Approx. 130 min (FHD/60p), Approx. 135 min (FHD/60i)
MP4Approx. 110 min (4K/30p), Approx. 130 min (FHD/60p)

So hopefully they've removed the 29min restriction from all markets not affected by the UK/Euro limitation, as they do with their other cameras.
 
The time listed hereis the total battery life using each recording codec, it has nothing to do with the 29min59sec limit, the later is purely enforced to save Panasonic tax money paid to authorities!
 
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