EVA1: Panasonic AU-EVA1! Announcement and latest updates

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filmguy123 said:
Mitch - fall as in early fall, look at the pretty leaves and the way my new EVA-1 captures them?

Or fall as in "one week till Christmas, but hey, December 15... technically they made it!"
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We are not giving a more specific date at this time. I've been so burned on that one in the past! I don't want everyone yelling at me. But if you look at Panasonic's history, you will see it is qite good with making most deadlines. We want to get the camera out there as soon as we can, and I am told that currently everything is coming in on schedule with no real setbacks.
We should have more info as we get closer.
 
Was checking out lenses today thinking ahead to what I'll want to get as a lens kit with EVA-1.

I know I want the Zeiss Milvus 35mm and 50mm.

I was actually not as thrilled about the Sigma 18-35 as I thought I would be... it just does not get wide enough for me on the S35 crop. It's effectively a 28-50 which is great, BUT, since the Milvus 35mm (about a 50mm equiv) would be my workhorse lens, The Sigma ART 18-35 doesn't add enough for me or go wide enough.

The Sigma ART 12-24 seemed really compelling though, with the benefit that it also covers FF sensor size. This gives an 18-36mm equiv focal range on the S35 sensor which to me is much more valuable in combo with a Milvus 35 (ie a 50ish) and Milvus 50 (ie a 75ish).

So now I am thinking:

Sigma ART 12-24
Milvus 35
Milvus 50

MAYBE: Milvus 85, Canon 70-200, any other suggestions?

Thoughts on dropping the Sigma 18-35?
 
I would substitute the 12-24mm with the new 14mm f/1.8.

It's the same price. 2mm more than 12mm, but much faster.

It will be a superior lens.
 
NorBro said:
I would substitute the 12-24mm with the new 14mm f/1.8.

It's the same price. 2mm more than 12mm, but much faster.

It will be a superior lens.
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Great suggestion! My only hesitation would be in giving up my zoom at the wide range (as 12-24 effectively also covers my wide 20-24mm FF equiv and my standard 35mm), and the EVA-1 should be great in lower light and focusing at f/1.8 - especially on wide shots - can be a real beast! Will the optics themselves be vastly superior as well? This is defintely something to think about though as I will say, I tend to prefer primes in general... hmm..

One other thought (that on specs/price alone may seem like a no-brainer): If going for a wide prime, and given that I am on a Milvus line-up, would it make more sense to go with the Milvus 15mm f/2.8 for $2700? On paper it seems like NO (I'd prefer the hair wider of the 14, the faster speed of the 14, and the much lower price of the 14). But Zeiss does have some imaging magic, and matching lenses can be a boon...

Thoughts?

Thanks for the great suggestion! Didn't even know Sigma had that lens coming!
 
I have OCD so I unfortunately can't mix and match my own set of lenses, lol (have no problem operating/working with others that do though)...so I would recommend to stick with one name, but that's all you. Both set of lenses are really good. Might also want to consider if you will ever use AF in the future as the Milvus' don't have it.

Personally, I like to work with primes no slower than f/1.8 (not that I'm using them wide-open) and I keep an emergency zoom in the Pelican for those unexpected situations where it's just important to get the shot. Something like an 18-200mm (with decent quality).
 
I think getting a variety of lenses from different manufacturers is a poor idea, especially for a Cinema camera. For still photography, fine, use whatever because each shot stands on its own. In Cinema, you're going to be intercutting shots, and different lenses from different manufacturers are likely to impart different characteristics to the image (whether color, contrast, flare, ghosting, bokeh, or many other characteristics).

Cinema Primes are generally designed to cut together well. I know whenever my projects rented lenses, we rented a matched set. When I bought lenses, I bought matched sets; my Nikons are the ZF set with the Duclos cine-mod, and my cine lenses are Compact Primes, both full sets.

I can see getting an unmatched lens for special purpose shots, but if you're talking about getting a set to cover a range of focal lengths, I would argue that you'll avoid problems and complications by getting a proper matched set.
 
I think it depends at what level you work at. Characteristics like lens matching are lost on many clients. OTOH, if you work at the highest levels of broadcast or are producing high profile films that are actually seen beyond your YouTube channel, I agree with Barry and NorBro. If clients are renting your lenses as line items, you should have a matching set. If they don't pay you for your lenses, use whatever you'd like. From a practical standpoint, matched sets are always better and will retain their value well if they are desirable lenses. I own mostly Canon EF and EF-S lenses. I will buying the CNe 18-80 T4.4 Servo which has different color and contrast characteristics from my L lenses. For most of my clients, they will never notice or care. They are noticing right now, I don't have a servo zoom and they are asking for zoom moves that I cannot give them with my still lenses. Sometimes practical versus esoteric features are most important.
 
Good points. Well, I don't shoot for broadcast or people who know what is what with cameras. I shoot for my own agency, so its generally clients who just care about the quality and look of the end video.

As a perfectionist myself, matching lens characteristics are important and I do notice that, too - why I brought it up! So good advice all around.

On this case in particular, I am wondering if it is worthwhile - at least initially. To snag a Milvus 15 and 21 would cost about $4500 and take up twice the space plus time for lens changes. Faster than f/4 on a Super35 at wider angles can be a nightmare to focus in many cases, and often with wide having that shallow DoF isn't as neccessary. The lowlight on EVA-1 should also be good. So f/4 vs f/2.8 vs f/1.8 isn't as big of a deal to me here (though outside of the wider angles or on a smaller sensor, I would never say such a thing!)

I am wondering if I can get away with the Sigma 12-24 for now. I don't tend to use wide quite as much, and when I do, being able to jump adjust that focal length from ultra wide to a normal wide is nice. If I was going to spring for the Sigma 14, though, I'd opt instead for the Milvus 15. But then there in lies the problem, I don't have the FF equivement of a ~35 covered and need a second Milvus lens (the 21mm).
 
filmguy123 said:
Good points. Well, I don't shoot for broadcast or people who know what is what with cameras. I shoot for my own agency, so its generally clients who just care about the quality and look of the end video.

As a perfectionist myself, matching lens characteristics are important and I do notice that, too - why I brought it up! So good advice all around.

On this case in particular, I am wondering if it is worthwhile - at least initially. To snag a Milvus 15 and 21 would cost about $4500 and take up twice the space plus time for lens changes. Faster than f/4 on a Super35 at wider angles can be a nightmare to focus in many cases, and often with wide having that shallow DoF isn't as neccessary. The lowlight on EVA-1 should also be good. So f/4 vs f/2.8 vs f/1.8 isn't as big of a deal to me here (though outside of the wider angles or on a smaller sensor, I would never say such a thing!)

I am wondering if I can get away with the Sigma 12-24 for now. I don't tend to use wide quite as much, and when I do, being able to jump adjust that focal length from ultra wide to a normal wide is nice. If I was going to spring for the Sigma 14, though, I'd opt instead for the Milvus 15. But then there in lies the problem, I don't have the FF equivement of a ~35 covered and need a second Milvus lens (the 21mm).
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If you are truly a perfectionist than your only logical choice to to go for the full set of every focal length you need in the Milvus. If you buy the Sigma, you'll probably sell it in three months at a loss to buy what you really want/need to satify your OCD, the Milvus 15.
 
Or just rent the lenses for jobs and see which ones you like/use the most.

Who knows...you might end up with something like the CN-E 18-80.
 
Lens rentals - yes! Outside of the main workhorse kit.

Hmm... pure drifitng... maybe I'm only a quasi perfectionist!! :D Or maybe you're right.

$4500 + inconvenience/size/weight... but perffeeeccctttiiooonnn...
$1600 Sigma 12-24... flexible, versatile, still very nice, but not a perfect match... hmmm..

Tangent, because I am not in the market for this, but still highly curious...

NorBro said:
Who knows...you might end up with something like the CN-E 18-80.
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What is it image quality and aesthetic like on one of these compared to shooting with primes?
 
I've never used one (just wanted to throw something else in the mix), but if you head over to the Canon side of the forum I'm sure there are several people that can provide you some great feedback.
 
filmguy123 said:
Lens rentals - yes! Outside of the main workhorse kit.

Hmm... pure drifitng... maybe I'm only a quasi perfectionist!! :D Or maybe you're right.

$4500 + inconvenience/size/weight... but perffeeeccctttiiooonnn...
$1600 Sigma 12-24... flexible, versatile, still very nice, but not a perfect match... hmmm..

Tangent, because I am not in the market for this, but still highly curious...



What is it image quality and aesthetic like on one of these compared to shooting with primes?
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I didn't compare it to primes but overall, it's an impressive lens
https://www.hdvideopro.com/gear/lenses/hands-on-with-canons-new-compact-servo-18-80mm-t4-4-ef-lens/
 
Just occured to me that during NAB 2016 a few lens manufacturers were showing off prototypes of cinema zooms some with exchangable lens mounts. The lenses were said to be in the 10 grand range. This included Angenieux. I am not in the market right now but someone may want to see if any of these lenses have come to market yet. Think I saw most of this info on Newsshooter videos.
 
Andrew Stone said:
Just occured to me that during NAB 2016 a few lens manufacturers were showing off prototypes of cinema zooms some with exchangable lens mounts. The lenses were said to be in the 10 grand range. This included Angenieux. I am not in the market right now but someone may want to see if any of these lenses have come to market yet. Think I saw most of this info on Newsshooter videos.
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There's a thread at reduser about Angenieux's EZ-lenses.
 
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