Alpha Beta Omega
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No it stands for "Eventually Video Appears".
EVA1: Panasonic AU-EVA1! Announcement and latest updates
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The problem with the thread and the "leakage" (wait until there's shrinkage on top of leakage) is that it's done via the official channels. When, GH5 was shown, Panasonic said, "Here are some specs. The rest later". And then it shut up, so any possible discussions of "GH5 coming in 2016" were done without its participation on the various internet sites, including this one.
But when the speculation involves an employee saying, "I know everything/75%/50%/33.3% but I ain't telling nothing to nobody", then it becomes a bit of a cat&mouse shell game. In other words, let potential consumers have their fantasies but don't aid and abet them by the officially sanctioned commentaries (or lack thereof).
PS. I'll add that any company is entitled to run their promotional campaign any way it chooses, as long as it abides by the UCC.
filmguy123
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I think I am thankful to have a Panasonic rep actively engaging with the community, and I resent the notion of your comment which implies this is a bad thing because professional adults can't respect an engaged representative who can't reveal certain specs. I mean seriously, let's grow up. No one is toying with anyone, and having a playful personality hardly implies this - it's a breath of fresh air. You'd rather have no active Panasonic rep?
Thanks for what you do Mitch.
Thanks for what you do Mitch.
Thomas Smet
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Where I see Panasonic has an amazing opportunity with EVA1 is a multi tiered ecosystem. We now have the option of a professional camera that matches extremely well to the picture quality of the GH5. This allows a crew to show up to a job with a $8,000 camera and a $2,000 B camera and get equally good material. Try doing that with Canon. You can't so stop pretending. The Canon DSLRs will never touch the C class Canon cameras. If you shoot with a c200 and need to do a multi-camera shoot guess what you will want to get your hands on more c200s.
With EVA1 as long as the lighting is not crap and you are not trying to shoot in the most extreme sunlight contrast situations the GH5 will do just as good and heck even a used GH4 (or lesser 4k m43 camera) will do well to match with the EVA1. That is a huge position for Panasonic and shooters to be in. The fact that a company with a EVA1 can hire a freelance shooter with a GH5 to shoot b roll or second camera is a pretty significant advantage for Panasonic right now. Especially considering the 400mbps 10bit 4:2:2 recording formats will be equally robust between the two cameras or if you absolutely must you can get 10bit external. To this day no other DSLR offers 10bit external output which even the GH4 provides.
If I'm producing a live switched event I would much rather do so with a EVA1, GH5 and GH4 so I can keep the switched master 10bit 4:2:2 all the way. Again try doing that with any other camera system. Canon? LOL. Sony? Much closer but none of their non cinema cameras provide 10bit output either. If you say 10bit doesn't matter then why on earth do you even care about a cinema camera? This ecosystem doesn't even end here and can go all the way up to the Varicam cameras. Having a G85 crash cam on a Varicam production that actually matches the look and 4k is a much better solution than a crappy aliased and moire filled Canon DSLR with a C200 or C300.
The other significant advantage to this ecosystem Panasonic has created is you can be a GH5 shooter with a SpeedBooster and EF lenses and go out and rent a EVA1 as needed when the production calls for it. You can invest in the GH5 and SpeedBooster now and build up smaller clients/productions and eventually move towards a EVA1 with little to no learning curve or equipment change. The quality and V-log post workflow will be almost identical. Again this is huge and currently no other manufacturer has this ability. BMD has a wide range of cameras but the smaller cameras suffer from a lot of quality compromises like resolution and sensor size. If you need a URSA Pro 4.6k on a production why on earth would you settle for a 2k Micro camera for b roll?
Panasonic should really adopt this concept in their marketing and promote the stellar ecosystem they built. That can have a lot of value add to companies that can't afford to buy three or four EVA1 class cameras and hire a wide range of shooters. Treat the GH5 as the gateway drug to higher end shooting with the EVA1 or Varicam. Thats what I would do and thats what companies like apple do. They build an ecosystem which is what draws people in and makes it hard for them to leave.
With EVA1 as long as the lighting is not crap and you are not trying to shoot in the most extreme sunlight contrast situations the GH5 will do just as good and heck even a used GH4 (or lesser 4k m43 camera) will do well to match with the EVA1. That is a huge position for Panasonic and shooters to be in. The fact that a company with a EVA1 can hire a freelance shooter with a GH5 to shoot b roll or second camera is a pretty significant advantage for Panasonic right now. Especially considering the 400mbps 10bit 4:2:2 recording formats will be equally robust between the two cameras or if you absolutely must you can get 10bit external. To this day no other DSLR offers 10bit external output which even the GH4 provides.
If I'm producing a live switched event I would much rather do so with a EVA1, GH5 and GH4 so I can keep the switched master 10bit 4:2:2 all the way. Again try doing that with any other camera system. Canon? LOL. Sony? Much closer but none of their non cinema cameras provide 10bit output either. If you say 10bit doesn't matter then why on earth do you even care about a cinema camera? This ecosystem doesn't even end here and can go all the way up to the Varicam cameras. Having a G85 crash cam on a Varicam production that actually matches the look and 4k is a much better solution than a crappy aliased and moire filled Canon DSLR with a C200 or C300.
The other significant advantage to this ecosystem Panasonic has created is you can be a GH5 shooter with a SpeedBooster and EF lenses and go out and rent a EVA1 as needed when the production calls for it. You can invest in the GH5 and SpeedBooster now and build up smaller clients/productions and eventually move towards a EVA1 with little to no learning curve or equipment change. The quality and V-log post workflow will be almost identical. Again this is huge and currently no other manufacturer has this ability. BMD has a wide range of cameras but the smaller cameras suffer from a lot of quality compromises like resolution and sensor size. If you need a URSA Pro 4.6k on a production why on earth would you settle for a 2k Micro camera for b roll?
Panasonic should really adopt this concept in their marketing and promote the stellar ecosystem they built. That can have a lot of value add to companies that can't afford to buy three or four EVA1 class cameras and hire a wide range of shooters. Treat the GH5 as the gateway drug to higher end shooting with the EVA1 or Varicam. Thats what I would do and thats what companies like apple do. They build an ecosystem which is what draws people in and makes it hard for them to leave.
Your statements have no basis in reality. Please stop trying to trick those that don't know circuit design that there is some sort of shortcoming due to battery voltage, A camera can generate any voltage needed internally. If it needs 12 volts or 24 volts or 100 volts for a circuit, it can make it. There is likely 3 or more voltage supplies within any camera for various needs.
Alpha Beta Omega
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I would love to see an Alexa being run on 7,2V. Nuff said.
Except that's not what I said.
And that begins the cat&mouse game. On a random fan site, there's no imprimatur of the "insider".
pulpfiction007
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I agree with a lot of what you said, but for Canon...one could buy a C200 or C300 and use a base C100 with Ninja as it's back up. A base C100 is now almost as inexpensive as the GH5.
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Back up ur claims. If you cant, stop acting like a know it all smart assIt's not really the same, though. The C100 is only HD and it's a similar size to the other cameras.
The advantage to the GH5 is that it at least closely matches resolution/frame rate options, while being very tiny. Less gear to carry around, and having a B/C camera that can wedged in awkward places that your A cam cannot. Flown on a drone, etc etc..
I agree completely with Thomas's post. It seems like Panasonic has a fantastic gameplan right now.
m43 makes sense for the GH series, but it really doesn't for the midrange market they are going after with the EVA. Lots of EF users, plus people just want S35. They would absolutely be swimming upstream trying to force m43 in that market, and it's not like m43 users are left out in the cold. The GH5 is a powerhouse in it's own right.
puredrifting
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How do we know the color science on the GH5 is very easily matched to the Varicam cameras? Who has tested this? Anything on YouTube or Vimeo? How do we know the GH5 will easily be matched to the EVA1? My only experience was trying to cut the GH4 with a 2700 Varicam and the two cameras wouldn't have been farther apart in color science.
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Thomas Smet
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HD only then yes you are fine. If you want/need 4k then nope not an option at all which was my entire point. In the 4k realm Panasonic is the only one with all the bases covered and you can even get a half way decent 4k camera for $500 to use as a crash camera. Sure maybe not as good as the Gh5 and missing a lot of things like 10bit and V-log but still a much closer match then trying to match HD or wannabe HD to 4k. Plus you are talking about buying a now five year old c100 to match a brand new c200. Sensor technology changes with each generation and a c100 from five years ago doesn't match a new c200 anymore than a GH4 matches a Varicam.
Thomas Smet
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No we don't but the color on the GH5 has been greatly improved and really it is in Panasonic's best interest to make that a reality because of this ecosystem. Considering the EVA1 is using the same over 5k super sampled sensor to 4k concept it makes sense both the EVA1 and GH5 were developed with some shared concepts. If Panasonic isn't attempting to get the color matched between camera lines then that is a serious missed opportunity for them.
Matching one of the baked in profiles on the GH4 to the Varicam is also a world of difference compared to V-log on both cameras where the color is more in your own hands vs the decision of the engineers at Panasonic. You are right the baked in color profiles on the GH4 may never be a perfect match but when dealing with a less baked in format like V-log then it should be no problem at all. That also includes cineD which always had some serious color issues with skin tone and yet every single GH4 shooter gravitated towards it like flies to, well you know. CineD was always grossly abused as a magic flat film format when it was no different of a baked in look then the other color profiles. Leeming Lut fixed that a lot and so did V-log, well external V-log did at least.
pulpfiction007
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I'll bet you the C100 sensor and color matches the C300/200 better than the GH5 will match the Varicam color science of the EVA1. You're right about 4K of course. I was strictly speaking to having a matching system. I like Panasonic's direction more than Canon as well, but I'm not sure the GH5 will turn out to be such a great match for the EVA1, given the sensor differences, the color differences,the ISO differences, etc. Sure, 4k.....yep.
I'm a Panasonic enthusiast and EVA1 will be a great tool.
1st : The name EVA "one" is a nice news, the beginning of a light crew cinema camera series.
2nd : All the must-needed technologie in a small and light body for a good price (near 6000$ Hopefully)
Now I will wait to see images from the camera.
For the moment, regarding the specs, I am more convinced by the C200 for my neeeds (and also because I had this Wahou effect when announced). But if colors and render looks nice, filmic, Varicam-oriented, I will have hard times to determine where to put my money.. Both brands make great products.
Sad to not have a dual mount kind of thing with EVA, or a 10 bits 422 internal on C200.. but the choice would have been as difficult !
1st : The name EVA "one" is a nice news, the beginning of a light crew cinema camera series.
2nd : All the must-needed technologie in a small and light body for a good price (near 6000$ Hopefully)
Now I will wait to see images from the camera.
For the moment, regarding the specs, I am more convinced by the C200 for my neeeds (and also because I had this Wahou effect when announced). But if colors and render looks nice, filmic, Varicam-oriented, I will have hard times to determine where to put my money.. Both brands make great products.
Sad to not have a dual mount kind of thing with EVA, or a 10 bits 422 internal on C200.. but the choice would have been as difficult !
fboonzaier
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And I will bet you that once the EVA is out, in a blind test most will not be able to tell them apart...and for any professional application, that will be the yardstick.
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