Matt Gottshalk
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God I hope that they do.
EVA1: Panasonic AU-EVA1! Announcement and latest updates
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God I hope that they do.
Danilo Del Tufo
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Mitch, at Cinegear will be available also footage from the camera, or only specs?
Barry_Green
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Since Mitch came into the mix late in development, maybe it should be named Barrycam
Now that's a hell of a name! Let's do it...
Mitch Gross
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You'll find out more in 23 days.
puredrifting
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If they follow suit on almost every other manufacturer, there will be prototype footage shown. I was at the Panasonic V35 rollout in Hollywood and they had lots of prototype footage they showed us with the caveat that it was from a prototype, not a shipping camera. Same with the Canon C700, I actually got to hold and shoot with the prototype C700 that Tyler and Russel used to shoot The Calling, they had the protoype and a production line camera at Canon Hollywood. I think their intro would fall flat if they just show a box with a lens and don't show how good the footage looks. That would be more of an NAB, under glass type thing that they do sometimes when they show a non working prototype. I got to look over the non-working prototype of the DVX-200 at the V35 rollout, they just had it sitting in the same office and I asked if I could fire it up. They laughed and said, you can try. I didn't realize it was just a mock up when I picked it up, it looked 100% finished, which it was but it was just a hunk of plastic.
rob norton
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The whole pre-production/prototype disclaimer gets old. Anytime we see the first footage, whether from the manufacturer or a gear site, it comes with "of course this is still a pre-production model, wait until the real thing". Fair enough if they fix a small WB issue, or other minor usability issues, but when has the image significantly changed in the final product, after they were comfortable releasing a film to the public?
I understand it's likely there for liability etc. but it's become more like one final "wait and see".
Wouldn't Chico Escuela ask for royalties?
Barry_Green
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Well of COURSE it's another "wait and see." How could it be anything else?
If the camera is coming out in October-ish (they said "Fall"), and you're seeing some footage in June (yet to be confirmed), then -- what exactly are you expecting to see in June? If it's final, finished footage, then why are they sitting on the camera for another five months?
You may not like it, but it's the way it is. Something isn't done until it's done, and they won't release it until it's done. If you see footage before it's done, then it's inherently requiring a cautionary note. Will it be representative of what you can expect to get from a finished product? Maybe. Probably. But there are no guarantees until it's DONE.
Having been down this path with them many times in the past, I can tell you that sometimes things don't change much from the first footage, and sometimes they change very much from the first footage.
With all that said, we don't know if or when there will be any first footage. As far as I know they haven't made any sort of commitment to show any footage at Cinegear yet.
rob norton
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Good points Barry. I must admit I am completely ignorant to camera hype and releases of old! What was a legal cautionary note to begin with has become just one more part to a successful marketing campaign.
If final product footage is wildly improved from any sneak peaks in 2017, either the company has messed up big time, or the company is Blackmagic Design. This isn't to be confused with a skilled cinematographer getting their hands on the camera after yet another tourist walk through that features a Japanese garden and glass blowing.
puredrifting
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Can you say, "AJA Cion"? That was some of the worst prototype footage ever seen. Do they still sell that camera? I have never seen one, heard of anyone using one in the real world. It's a shame, I like AJA products, I had the Kona for years.
NorBro
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Actually, this was the first video from the AJA Cion and it created a massive interest in the filmmaking community (ARRI, RED, Blackmagic) at the time.
AJA supposedly ended up going with another sensor at the last minute and it proved to be their new camera's destruction.
https://vimeo.com/105581608
Erik Naso
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That video had mixed reviews. Then the decision to not have a Log gamma was the death of the camera. AJA was so set on a baked in look and the market wanted log.
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Erik Naso
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Yep. It looked good in all those shots but the decision to not have log and only baked looks was not what I or the market wanted. The skin tone in the caucasian skin was very red.
My comment on that video.
"Pretty nice baked look straight out of the camera. Really good settings. Would love to see some log footy in a high dynamic range setting."
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NorBro
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This should be an exciting fall for anyone looking for a new camera.
IMO, this is such an important camera for Panasonic.
They truly have to make this thing special and make a big statement with it because it's an uphill battle against the other two who don't need to do much to sell their new cameras. (Sony and Canon)
IMO, this is such an important camera for Panasonic.
They truly have to make this thing special and make a big statement with it because it's an uphill battle against the other two who don't need to do much to sell their new cameras. (Sony and Canon)
puredrifting
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All I can remember is seeing the first AJA footage and it looked really bad.
Jason R. Johnston
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I remember that Cion footage, too. Looked bad. I liked the design of the camera a bit, but the footage looked like 8 years ago but with shallower dof. I hear the later 1.3 firmware fixes those sharp rolloffs to hard clip, introduces log, etc, but too little too late...and that was a year ago. Price has dropped dramatically, too. Remember when it was $8 grand. Now, it's under $4k. I feel the same way about LS300. Great idea, poor execution. I love the idea of a near-universal lens mount in front of a Super 35 sensor where you can crop in-camera to get whatever look you want. Hell, use a 135 sensor nowadays and crop to Super 35. Make it a 6K sensor that debayers to DCI 4K and UHD. Would make anamorphic or matteing for 2.40:1 a cinch. Again, what really excites me about this camera is the Panasonic color science. If they can nail that magic with this new cinema camera, plus the reliability factor of Panasonic support, then any shortcomings this new cinema camera might have could be forgiven and worked-around. Meanwhile, I'm going to dream it has a 135 sensor and a M43 mount so I can put any lens I want on it.
AJA Cion was released at $10,000 originally and that was three years ago. Its designer used to post here. The camera flopped and has been going for $5,000 over the last year or so.
The problem with JVC LS 300, IMO, is that it wasn't offering several features of the GH4 (auto focus) at a much higher price (point) and because it was a sub-4K camera with MFT glass.
The problem with JVC LS 300, IMO, is that it wasn't offering several features of the GH4 (auto focus) at a much higher price (point) and because it was a sub-4K camera with MFT glass.
NorBro
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If the CION footage above (which is a HD video of the 4K) really looks that bad then the C100s and DVX200s are potatoes.
The LS300 has AF, but it's been tough for them to break through. But I feel like more people have been taking a look at it now that's it's dropped a few thousand and will have 4K/60p via an external recorder.
The LS300 has AF, but it's been tough for them to break through. But I feel like more people have been taking a look at it now that's it's dropped a few thousand and will have 4K/60p via an external recorder.
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