EVA1: Panasonic AU-EVA1! Announcement and latest updates

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Tell us what you know, Noel! lol

And with Mitch's response to the same post? I'm even more excited! 35 dayyyyys...

I wanna add that, for me, it's a lot of things about the possibilities of what this new camera is. But what has me so excited is the fact that I love Panasonic's color science. To have a proper cinema camera with that? One I can own? I'm interested.
 
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aras said:
af is absolutely s*%t on gh5
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The only large sensor camera I have seen with truly accurate autofocus is the 5D Mark iv in video mode. Absolutely accurate. Used it on a run and gun job and shot about 3 hours of run and gun video. All of it accurate autofocus EVEN if you zoom in (was using the 24-105 f/4). Filmed in 30p. All other autofocus tests I have seen, aren't even close. I did own a C100 mark II that was ok if you kept whatever you wanted to focus on in the very center of the frame.
 
vorrik said:
The only large sensor camera I have seen with truly accurate autofocus is the 5D Mark iv in video mode. Absolutely accurate. Used it on a run and gun job and shot about 3 hours of run and gun video. All of it accurate autofocus EVEN if you zoom in (was using the 24-105 f/4). Filmed in 30p. All other autofocus tests I have seen, aren't even close. I did own a C100 mark II that was ok if you kept whatever you wanted to focus on in the very center of the frame.
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I just shot a short on my 1DX II and the AF did wonders, only freaked out in a situation I shouldn't have put it in, but for any short that's done with pretty normal coverage it replaces the need for a focus puller. I just wish i had a good way of toggling it on and off when hand held, maybe if I dig through the menus there'll be something.
 
vorrik said:
The only large sensor camera I have seen with truly accurate autofocus is the 5D Mark iv in video mode. Absolutely accurate. Used it on a run and gun job and shot about 3 hours of run and gun video. All of it accurate autofocus EVEN if you zoom in (was using the 24-105 f/4). Filmed in 30p. All other autofocus tests I have seen, aren't even close. I did own a C100 mark II that was ok if you kept whatever you wanted to focus on in the very center of the frame.
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There is a dramatic difference in C100mkii AF when you use a 18-135 Nano lens. Absolutely accurate AF in my experience.
 
Well ...the preceding title of this camera is Cine....I've never been on a shoot...either a feature, commercial or television series where there was no focus puller....you would never risk the cost of the crew 's day rate to AF....so my guess would be no AF...especially after all the heat Panasonic took over AF on the GH5....I can't conceive of a scenario where a DP shooting narrative in any form tells his AC to turn on the AF and to send his focus puller home lol...so Cine Camera...no AF
 
fboonzaier said:
Well ...the preceding title of this camera is Cine....I've never been on a shoot...either a feature, commercial or television series where there was no focus puller....you would never risk the cost of the crew 's day rate to AF....so my guess would be no AF...especially after all the heat Panasonic took over AF on the GH5....I can't conceive of a scenario where a DP shooting narrative in any form tells his AC to turn on the AF and to send his focus puller home lol...so Cine Camera...no AF
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Absolutely. Idgaf about af. Focus assist? Sure, that's fine. AF just isn't professional. That, and focus is a dramatic tool. It helps guide the audience's attentio and literal focus on the story. That requires a human touch. I might be enough of an operator to also pull focus myself (documentary background), but I'd rather have a great 1st AC so I can concentrate on composition. A great focus puller means never worrying about the focus. It means a faster, more productive day. It also means a family member in the trenches with you. No, I'd rather have a person. If I can't have that, some sort of focus assist during setup is fine.
 
It's fine to have both. Not everyone is a filmmaker.

People run-and-gun solo and find themselves in impossible situations where AF is the only option.

A solid face-tracking system and shallow DOF setup while running around with a gimbal provides amazing creative results that many focus-pullers wouldn't be able consistently provide.

And you can have a human touch with AF too. I do it all of the time on my 5D Mark IV. I touch the screen where I want the focus to happen and I can adjust the speed as well. It might not be the same, but you'd be surprised how close it actually is.

Auto-focus is the future. And manual focus will always be there if anyone would like to use it.
 
fboonzaier said:
Well ...the preceding title of this camera is Cine....I've never been on a shoot...either a feature, commercial or television series where there was no focus puller....you would never risk the cost of the crew 's day rate to AF....so my guess would be no AF...especially after all the heat Panasonic took over AF on the GH5....I can't conceive of a scenario where a DP shooting narrative in any form tells his AC to turn on the AF and to send his focus puller home lol...so Cine Camera...no AF
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Many, many more people use "Cinema" cameras than people shooting features, commercials or television. The most common cameras in LA are the Canon C300 MKII and the Sony FS7. Lots of event people, documentary filmmakers who shoot a lot of run & gun, EPK, BTS people use digital cinema cameras. I agree, for most controlled situations, you need an AC or two, someone pulling focus. But many DVX members have posted their work here shot with both C300 MKII and FS7s that are high end, broadcast or in theaters that was shot with DPAF or some other form of AF. It's pedantic to think that it automatically won't have some form of AF. Coming from the top down, the Varicam and Varicam LT do not have AF while right below this camera, the GH5 does. Based upon simple stats and market segmentation, there is at least a 50% chance it will have some form of AF. But if it doesn't, many of us who need DPAF or AF would still consider it. From a marketing standpoint, it would be smart to give it some form of an AF system as the competitors in it's price range like the FS5 and C100 MKII have AF.
 
puredrifting said:
Many, many more people use "Cinema" cameras than people shooting features, commercials or television. The most common cameras in LA are the Canon C300 MKII and the Sony FS7. Lots of event people, documentary filmmakers who shoot a lot of run & gun, EPK, BTS people use digital cinema cameras. I agree, for most controlled situations, you need an AC or two, someone pulling focus. But many DVX members have posted their work here shot with both C300 MKII and FS7s that are high end, broadcast or in theaters that was shot with DPAF or some other form of AF. It's pedantic to think that it automatically won't have some form of AF. Coming from the top down, the Varicam and Varicam LT do not have AF while right below this camera, the GH5 does. Based upon simple stats and market segmentation, there is at least a 50% chance it will have some form of AF. But if it doesn't, many of us who need DPAF or AF would still consider it. From a marketing standpoint, it would be smart to give it some form of an AF system as the competitors in it's price range like the FS5 and C100 MKII have AF.
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Well I thought I was being more practical than pedantic lol...after the drubbing Panasonic received for the AF on the GH5 I would imagine AF is what they want to stay clear of...plenty of Canon or Sony choices out there for people who need AF...and this thread is a guessing game about what this camera will be...not about hurting yours or anyone else's feelings...you constantly question or express your dislike for GH cameras...and love your C100....fair enough...I certainly don't see that as pedantic...I would personally never own a canon...I can't stand the image out of them in the same way you feel about m4/3...so I can understand this sentiment...
 
What makes you think anything posted here has hurt my feelings? I'm not a very emotional person most of the time and my feelings are definitely not wrapped up in camera gear, unlike some people who have had meltdowns because I had a poor experience with a camera they worship? I was not aware that people had been bagging on the GH5 AF, I thought it was all Rainbows and Unicorns with GH5 owners, isn't it the best video camera ever made? ;-) Not about the feels at all, just about guessing that a mystery camera won't have AF because it is a "Cinema" camera. The point was that "Cinema camera" may mean more things to more users than just your definition. That's all. No hurt feelings.

If you read my other posts in this thread, you would see that I would eagerly dump my Canon cameras for this new Panasonic, if it meets certain criteria for my needs, that doesn't sound like the behavior of someone who is overly emotional or attached to or worships only Canon cameras does it? These days, it seems that categorization of products is becoming more fluid while many users want them to stay in rigidly defined categories. The new Sound Devices Mix Pre3 and 6 are a good example. A lot of open minded users are realizing that obtaining three or four channels of Sound Devices world classs analog mic pre-amp goodness and the ability to read and sync TC from DSLRs, M43, Mirrorless and even higher end cameras like the C series for under $900.00 is a miracle and makes them an exciting, category busting product while others are grumbling because they don't have TC generators and XLR outs that they are sub par. The former are realizing that these new devices are really revolutionary while the latter are lamenting that they don't fit into the same old category as SD's previous products, which are still very much available and very much more expensive. According to DP Russell Carpenter, ASC, the C700 is without a doubt a Cinema camera with DPAF. I don't know how much the DPAF will be used by filmmakers, but it is there and in a way, defines a new category as a cinema camera with AF.
 
puredrifting said:
What makes you think anything posted here has hurt my feelings? I'm not a very emotional person most of the time and my feelings are definitely not wrapped up in camera gear, unlike some people who have had meltdowns because I had a poor experience with a camera they worship? I was not aware that people had been bagging on the GH5 AF, I thought it was all Rainbows and Unicorns with GH5 owners, isn't it the best video camera ever made? ;-) Not about the feels at all, just about guessing that a mystery camera won't have AF because it is a "Cinema" camera. The point was that "Cinema camera" may mean more things to more users than just your definition. That's all. No hurt feelings.

If you read my other posts in this thread, you would see that I would eagerly dump my Canon cameras for this new Panasonic, if it meets certain criteria for my needs, that doesn't sound like the behavior of someone who is overly emotional or attached to or worships only Canon cameras does it? These days, it seems that categorization of products is becoming more fluid while many users want them to stay in rigidly defined categories. The new Sound Devices Mix Pre3 and 6 are a good example. A lot of open minded users are realizing that obtaining three or four channels of Sound Devices world classs analog mic pre-amp goodness and the ability to read and sync TC from DSLRs, M43, Mirrorless and even higher end cameras like the C series for under $900.00 is a miracle and makes them an exciting, category busting product while others are grumbling because they don't have TC generators and XLR outs that they are sub par. The former are realizing that these new devices are really revolutionary while the latter are lamenting that they don't fit into the same old category as SD's previous products, which are still very much available and very much more expensive. According to DP Russell Carpenter, ASC, the C700 is without a doubt a Cinema camera with DPAF. I don't know how much the DPAF will be used by filmmakers, but it is there and in a way, defines a new category as a cinema camera with AF.
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Agreed...and if I came across as a snob, not intended...the poor GH5 and Panasonic took a serious beating on AF...Panny's claim was that it was much improved over the GH4... which I suppose it is...never used it on the GH4...though it's quick for taking photos it could not hold focus in video at all...so on Panasonics part the claimed improvement would have merit I suppose.
What I was completely surprised by, was how many people want and need good AF...so herhaps this will be something Panny will be able to implement successfully in the bigger body and deem necessary from a usability standpoint...anyway, still anxiously awaiting my GH5 which I won't have till 1st week of June...so the new camera is completely off my radar except for guessing at this point:)
 
Having the Gh5 sitting at the bottom of any manufacturer's lineup speaks volumes about that manufacturer. Just looking at things from that perspective gives me a positive anticipation of next month's unveiling. If some folks have concerns about auto focus... well... Ok. There is not one person who uses a particular camera the same way... Not one. It's nice to see the community voice opinions that may be obvious to one person and totally new information to the next. That's why we're here right? I'm just glad that Panny is still in the game for those of us whose needs, not unlike this new camera, fall right in between the Gh5 and Varicam LT.
 
The high end production uses all sorts of laser or sonar guided AF. The ARRI based/derived/created laser model runs something like $70,000.

And, as far as GH5 goes, Panasonic here may be guilty of giving too many options and making them incompatible with each other for practical use. A "baked-in" AF seems to work well enough. Once people start putzing around with the various parameters, finding the sweet spot became much more difficult. In any case, Panasonic promises a firmware update, which will probably have some sort of presets on top of the currently existing variables.

All that said, if this is an s35 sensor - which seems very likely off photos - then it will not have autofocus because Panasonic doesn't make an s35/APS-C lens with an autofocus capability and it makes little sense for it to deploy or license a fully electronic EF (it's technically possible, as there are some reverse-engineered electronic adapters for various lenses and mounts). And PL glass doesn't have AF either. It could, obviously, have some sort of an external servo zoom aka the recent Canon 18-80 and 70-200 products.
 
All current AF is 90% useless is it not?

None has a sensible interface that allows use with eye in the Evf?

Panny need either to make af usable professionally or deliver nothing.

As all the others deliver nothing it is a pretty flat playing field?
 
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