P2 Shenanigans

I have actually had more hard drives fail than magnetic tapes in shorter times. I don't trust them for any long term storage at all. Certainly need another way to back things up.
 
Jan_Crittenden said:
Hi,

Click on the White Paper. I promise it is not in engineering terms. Easy to read.


Anyone else have trouble downloading this? I keep getting an alert reporting; "connection refused when attempting to contact ftp.panasonic.com"

I've tried with mozilla & safari, no dice.
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Try again, could be that everyone has discovered it and you hit a peak threshold. If workig from a Mac try just saving to disk before opening. I have heard some Mac folks have had problems with FTP sites in general, but I am never sure whether it it is the Mac or the navigator. ;-)

Best,

Jan
 
jonahlee said:
I have actually had more hard drives fail than magnetic tapes in shorter times. I don't trust them for any long term storage at all. Certainly need another way to back things up.
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Have they failed after only one main use, say, capture and a few weeks of post on a single project, then properly stored offline?

Or as a main sytem drive or repeatedly used scratch drive?

I, too, have had HDDs fail on me. For the same number of read times as a tape, however, are they better or worse?

I would like a definitive answer as to why a thin piece of mylar coated with oxide and binder is somehow bullet-proof compared to a hermetically sealed platter. They both are magnetic and will fail over time--that's a given. But if used STRICTLY as MEDIA, I can't imagine HDDs being worse than tape.

If anyone here has reliable data (other than anecdotal "I once had a drive fail on me" citations) or can offer some sort of reasonable rationale as to why HDDs would "age" while merely sitting on a shelf (any more than tape or DVD-R[rot]), I would love to hear them.

If project-dedicated-as-media-only HDDs posses roughly the same archival reliability as tape, then HDDs are the only reasonable low-cost DVCPRO100 option for intermediate-to-long-term storage. Until we develop a truly permanent digital archive media (beyond a decade or two), intermediate measures are all we have available to us.
 
terry_g_johnson said:
A Panasonic rep at NBA told me Meta Data was not retained in a fire wire transfer. Jan or Barry correct me if I am wrong.
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Well, yes and no, depending on how the firewire transfer is done.

If you're talking about capturing a data stream, then no, the metadata would not be transferred.

If instead you were using SBP2 to transfer the data over firewire, from a P2 card to a hard disk, then the metadata should certainly be preserved. I'm not 100% sure if SBP2 transfers are supported on USB2 only, or if they're also supported via firewire.
 
I hear a lot of people complain about the P2 card pricing, but I was just curious if anybody has considered the possibilities of P2 card rentals. When the camera becomes available I wonder if rental houses will begin renting P2 cards out, that way people don't have to dive in right away with purchasing a bunch of P2 cards that might lower in price or raise in capacity in the next six months. It might be worthwhile to do so while your bank accounts are recovering from the initial HVX purchase.
 
Sandisk 60x 2GB Ultra II SD card for $199.95

Sandisk 60x 2GB Ultra II SD card for $199.95

Dear Jan,

I understand you expected the 60x 2GB SD card to retail for about $399. I just checked the BH PHoto site and they are selling Sandisk 2GB Ultra II SD cards for $199.95. The specs mendion 60x speed. If you multiply that by four, for a 8GB P2 and and add some $200 of extra cost, we would have a 8GB P2 for about $1,000.

The Sandisk 1GB SD Extreme III is selling for $114.95 so I don't understand how the 4GB P2 card can sell for $1750 - that is over 15 times the cost of a 1GB SD Extreme III.

Cheers,

Endurance_Man
 
Then lobby Sandisk to start making P2 cards. You know? That's common sense.
If they can build a cheaper widget, then they should be in the business of making P2 cards.
 
Dear Thisiswelss,

I have already sent an e-mail to Sandisk, which I hope will reach the SD card product manager. I am trying to show strong arguments to convince Jan to lobby the Panasonic P2 card product manager.
Regards,

Endurance_Man
 
to be fair, jan said the "list price" would be apx 399.00 ..and the card retails for 219.00..

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=356016&is=REG

and you still have the cost of the strict testing and such on top of the extra casing and raid configuration hardware. .. even still though .. ill admit that the initial price is intimidating. .. perhaps they will be cheaper than expected? or they will be when the HVX comes out. ?? who knows...
 
In My Humble Opinion

In My Humble Opinion

The parent company who invents memory product will establish retail prices in such a way that encourages competition. They would rather license the tech (as I'm sure you've read).

Everyone does this. Walked into Walmart the other day and a Sony 128MB Memory Stick was $38. A Lexar 256MB Memory Stick was $41.. I think the Lexar was a better value.

Don't think for a second that Panasonic-branded SD cards will be cheaper than Sandisk.
If they were, then there wouldn't be a Sandisk.

Keep fingers crossed. They'll make them.
 
iamloser said:
to be fair, jan said the "list price" would be apx 399.00 ..and the card retails for 219.00..

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=356016&is=REG

and you still have the cost of the strict testing and such on top of the extra casing and raid configuration hardware. .. even still though .. ill admit that the initial price is intimidating. .. perhaps they will be cheaper than expected? or they will be when the HVX comes out. ?? who knows...
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Hi Iamloser,

I believe Jan mentioned that the P2 uses four SD (secure digital) cards. The 2GB SD Ultra II is for sale for $199.95:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=353123&is=REG

The link you sent was for a Sandisk 2GB Extreme III CompactFlash Card, which is another type of card.

Anyhow, if you consider the $94 price of the 1GB Ultra II SD card (60x speed), multiply that for four you get to $376. If you compare that with the $1750 price tag that Panasonic puts on the 4GB P2 card, there is a $1374 difference, which sounds like a huge difference, even if you consider the points you mentioned above.

Cheers,

Endurance_Man
 
Endurance_Man said:
I believe Jan mentioned that the P2 uses four SD (secure digital) cards. The 2GB SD Ultra II is for sale for $199.95
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This isn't comparing apples to apples. What is the price for the Panasonic brand?
 
Bilgami said:
how can we lobby others to make them also.
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Maybe you could write a simple email to the memory distributor of your choice.
Sandisk and Lexar would be a good starting point. Ask them to support P2 cards.
 
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