P2 Shenanigans

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ettubaby

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I posted that panasonic p2 pricing structure as based on lack of judicious money handling in part of its customers(TV stations, etc...). Sending off a PO for $100000, p2s making a faction of that, no prob. But here the media is costing the price of the camera. Look at the price of flash memory, and, yes, p2 can handle very fast rates, only 100 Mbps is needed. You can buy a 1GB 80x CF card for $125 that can handle the HVX speed requirements. The prices for these continue to go down too. So, I think the price are a little high, and repricing is required.
 
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What I hate about the p2 and hd tapes is the cost and the short recording time. I dont understand why someone would make somthing that only holds 2-15 min of video makes no sense.[font=&quot]
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I can deal with the time, more that over paying for the technology. 4GB CF are going for $400. The prices are inflated due to small user base
 
My friend--
What sustained datarate can a 4GB Compact Flash card handle?
An 8GB P2 card is 640Mbps. 720p60 and 1080i60 both require 100Mbps sustained.
 
thisiswells said:
My friend--
What sustained datarate can a 4GB Compact Flash card handle?
An 8GB P2 card is 640Mbps. 720p60 and 1080i60 both require 100Mbps sustained.
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I know, but how needs 640, I just need 100
 
bilgami said:
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Four hundred is not a bad price but how much does a 4g hold Ive heard only 4min. I cant see shooting anything 4min at a time.[font=&quot]
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CFs are smaller than p2 cards, you could fit two on there, but point is about the technoloy cost being inflated
 
People are getting a little overly dramatic in regards to the record times of the P2 format. The DVCPRO-HD recording capabilities of P2 isn't geared towards wedding or event videographers right now. As larger P2 cards come out, the line will begin to blur in regards to the usability of the P2 format for dramatic production & event videography. This is in fact, one of the interesting aspects of the P2 format, it's capabilities grow along with the demand for HD production, allowing you to better leverage your investment over time.

The majority of people who will be using the DVCPRO-HD format on the HVX200 will more than likely be people shooting commercials, features, and dramatic work. This type of work very rarely requires more than a couple of minutes worth of footage per shot, and P2 will work great for them. Compare the 16 Min's of DVCPRO-HD record time on 2 8GB cards to the 10-20 Min record times offered by a $20K CineRAM recorder or the $50K Venom FlashPak. Short record times are quite commonplace in the HD world. Remember that the DVCPRO-HD format shouldn't be compared to the "consumer" HDV format (which should more appropriately be termed High Resolution DV). With DVCPRO-HD you're playing in an entirely different league, one that typically costs a considerable amount of money (which the HVX200 is lowering the cost of entry on).

Everyone wants to jump on the HD bandwagon when realistically speaking it's not the most advantageous format out right now. A majority of broadcasters are still based on Standard Definition formats, the home HD distribution system isn't very commonplace just yet, and while the demand for HD is increasing there's still a long way to go before its the industry standard. During that time, P2 will increase in size as will your recording times & media options (HDD's, etc).

If you're needing a slight boost in image quality NOW, then go pick up an HDV based camera and put it to work. There's still a few months to go before we have the HVX200; so you'll have plenty of time to rake in some cash with your Sony or JVC HDV cam and then towards the end of the year you'll have plenty of dough to pick up the HVX200 & Accys. and move up into the world of real High Definition production. :)

ciao,

harlan
 
Jan made an interesting point at NAB to me, about people comparing the cost of P2 cards, and how Panasonic is "overcharging" -- it costs money to build these cards, to manufacture them to absolute 100% reliability standards, etc. But if someone thinks they can make 'em cheaper, by all means, go ahead. If you can deliver a P2-compatible card for $400 or $500 or $600 or whatever, with 100% reliability, Panasonic will purchase thousands of them from you right now, today. Just call Jan for the purchase order number.
 
I'll get right on it...

100% reliability...Even if someone detonates a EMP bomb high in the atmosphere?

There is no such thing as 100% reliability, unless you're a marketer
 
100mbs is what the format dictates. But acording to Jan there is more to it than that. The camera it's self needs to get the data out of cache faster than the actual data rate of the images. Thiink of it like a high speed digital still camera. If you can't clear the buffer fast enough you have too stop shooting. This allows the DSP in the camera to keep chuging along with the image processing and never get backed up. There is also a little more info going on to the card than just the data stream. I don't know what this is but it was hinted to in the discussion.
 
The reason I brought it up is because you can buy 80x and 100x CF flash cards designed for digital SLRs that need to capture data in burst mode where each picture is can be 6 or 12 megs
 
Editor321 said:
Quick Question:

Does final cut, pinnacle etc currently support DVCPRO-HD format?
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Final Cut Pro 5 does. Will be available end of May in the US and early June
in Europe.

Hope this helps.
 
ettubaby said:
you can buy 80x and 100x CF flash cards designed for digital SLRs that need to capture data in burst mode where each picture is can be 6 or 12 megs
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That's a pretty cool feature that stops to catch its breath after 3-5 frames.
 
yah, i am. thinking about switching to nikon because of the "800" flash system, but the Fuji S3
looks pretty enticing as well.
 
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