Out of pure curiosity..

$12k was for the brain only, and I agree, wasn't a finalized done deal price. They also said there would be some sort of "package" to get a shooting kit, which would probably include battery, grip, redmote and SSD slot. Also, there is the issue of lens mount. But again, none of that was finalized.
 
Still planning on a Scarlet. Ideally like to have one of each, fixed and cinema models. But will probably buy the cinema interchangeable model first unless it is delayed significantly beyond the release of the fixed version.
I have played around with R1 footage and raw work flow enough to know I will never be satisfied with shooting video again. Redcode RAW and CS5.5 for me.
2/3"/16mm sized format is still a personal favorite for all around general purpose motion work. I like compact, fast , wide range zooms. PL mount and 16mm cine lenses for me.
 
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EPIC-S (old Scarlet S35) update... – 01-01-2011, 12:02 PM

5. Price has risen due to the chassis and HDRx change/additions. Expect somewhere in the neighborhood of $12K. Package prices will be posted as soon as we are sure what they will be. We will not post another "interim" price structure in the meantime. Next price posting will be final.

While it's not a working camera one could argue getting up to speed with S-log would be comparable dollar wise. Not trying to be difficult but I believe that it will be close to this. Call me crazy.
 
The info I got for a working Epic-S is close to 20K USD without lens. But a lot can happen between now and 2012. The Scarlet fixed is slated for around 6K USD. I think it will surprise a lot of people in a good way.
And like the FS100, putting the view finder on top has both pros and cons.
 
Billy Barber said:
5. Price has risen due to the chassis and HDRx change/additions. Expect somewhere in the neighborhood of $12K. Package prices will be posted as soon as we are sure what they will be. We will not post another "interim" price structure in the meantime. Next price posting will be final.

While it's not a working camera one could argue getting up to speed with S-log would be comparable dollar wise. Not trying to be difficult but I believe that it will be close to this. Call me crazy.
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Unfortunately.... even if they say "next price will be final".... they can just fall back on the "everything subject to change" mantra.

As for comparing it with an F3 with s-log.... I personally believe Epic-S is way over 1 year away (i'm not even sure Epic-X will make it this year)... ifs and buts, sure... but there is very little point comparing a camera that is available now (upgrade soon) to one without a price or delivery date. Hell, an F4 or AF500 could be out by then.
 
I can't stress enough, if you are agonizing over a purchase.... just rent.

Its a tax write off, and you always get waaaaaaay better stuff. U can spend 20k on a fully kitted F3, slog, recorder and then spens 25k on pl glass...... or spend 3,000$ for a week with the same gear. When you wanna do a quick and dirty shoot, use the 7D. Save yourselves money, so you can actually fund your film.
 
TimurCivan said:
I can't stress enough, if you are agonizing over a purchase.... just rent.

Its a tax write off, and you always get waaaaaaay better stuff. U can spend 20k on a fully kitted F3, slog, recorder and then spens 25k on pl glass...... or spend 3,000$ for a week with the same gear. When you wanna do a quick and dirty shoot, use the 7D. Save yourselves money, so you can actually fund your film.
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I agree that is a good option if you need to be using >$40k worth of gear and work for productions that have plenty of budget for those rentals. On the other hand, since this is the FS100 forum, it seems reasonable to apply my experience of the similarly priced EX1 I bought 3 years ago: It's value has dropped about $3k since I bought it (~$1k/year). I rarely get more than a $250/day rental rate for it, and it doesn't even go out on jobs much anymore. However, it was easily a great purchase, since I definitely got more than $3k (~12days) in rental rates from it in those 3 years (even though I never rented it out unless I was going along with it), not to mention all the work I got where the camera was built into my dayrate, and the flexibility to bring along the camera for lower-rate favors and passion projects and to be able to pull out the camera whenever I think of something I want to learn or test about it.

As for the tax writeoff, are you talking about if production isnt paying for the rentals and you are paying out of pocket for them to get reimbursed by production? Is that common? Or I gues you must be addressing producers rather than cinematographers/operators based on your last sentence about funding films. If you own your equipment, asset depreciation is also a write-off, no? And for <$500 AKS items you may be able to write-off the full value, right?

BTW anyone interested in a used EX1? :)
 
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I'm with nyvx on the price point principle! :) For me, the FS100 is just under the cusp of buying to own. Whereas for me, if I need something with higher performance, I'd rent for sure. Of course, that price point is different I am sure for a lot of people. There will be people where F3 is the inflection point, and Alexa is a rental!
 
Let say i get a job that has to be on RED. I say i "own" a RED, then subrent it from a friend. Tehy pay me, i pay my friend, boom. Tax write off. business expense. I get a RED for "free".
 
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