Out of pure curiosity..
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djbobbyrhodes
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If it ever exists, I might be on the list.
Billy Barber
Member
Me too on Epic S. If it really comes in at 12K it is, positively, game over man.
Jason Allen
Well-known member
No Red Scarlet Fixed for me, summed up very succinctly by Hidef1080 - and also because of the availability of real, tangible, marketed/released large sensor cameras from established companies (AF100, FS100, SLR camera options + external audio, µ4/3 EVF camera options + external audio, etc).
Lliam Worthington
Active member
Ahhhh the scarlet...
why when I was a boy...
Man it's literally so long ago now that I first emailed Red about release dates it just seems ludicrous...
I last wrote them again a few months back, they told me "not to give up all hope" of seeing it by june when I informed them I would be commit to my next kit purchase.
But, I'll be stunned if it arrives before 2012. And with the obvious rethink taking place... Will it even be a Scarlet?
Fwiw, I certainly hope this camera arrives as you can't help but feel it's the most likely to probably truly democratise the low end of quality film making...
Unfortunate thing now is even if it ever actually arrives, my confidence is pretty shot, and I can't help fearing that an order would be so slow and backlogged that it could be largely a waste of time in any case...
I'd like to be wrong though.
why when I was a boy...
Man it's literally so long ago now that I first emailed Red about release dates it just seems ludicrous...
I last wrote them again a few months back, they told me "not to give up all hope" of seeing it by june when I informed them I would be commit to my next kit purchase.
But, I'll be stunned if it arrives before 2012. And with the obvious rethink taking place... Will it even be a Scarlet?
Fwiw, I certainly hope this camera arrives as you can't help but feel it's the most likely to probably truly democratise the low end of quality film making...
Unfortunate thing now is even if it ever actually arrives, my confidence is pretty shot, and I can't help fearing that an order would be so slow and backlogged that it could be largely a waste of time in any case...
I'd like to be wrong though.
I'm sure it would be a great cam, but I'm months past giving RED a single penny. I think I'm done with em. Not because of the FS or anything, I just don't think they have a healthy attitude in the community. Anyone who's ever shot knows it ain't about the camera no more. Especially in this day and age. My thoughts only, no offense meant.
Carlos_Nieto
Member
I'll be the first one in line for the Scarlet Fixed if it's out before end of this year... But I really like the FS100, especially after Philip Bloom's AF100 vs F3 vs F100 comparision, so my decision to wait and go after the Scarlet "is subject to change" at any moment 
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nyvz
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Even if Epic-S comes in at $12k for the brain and probably closer to $20k minimum for a useable camera without a lens (remember LCD, media, power, all cost several thousand dollars), it will still be a really strong contender, though its ability to compete directly with the FS100 may depend on whether they end up implementing much higher compression ratios. The RED workflow in my experience with CS5 is about as seamless as any other codec, so the only setback for some may be the fact that EPIC-S at its highest compression ratio (18:1 from what I understand) will still generate ~10x as much data as an FS100, meaning 10x the storage requirement, 10x the media requirements, 10x the media/transfer speed requirements etc. That is a lot to ask for people who would be happy with images generated from compressed material at 1/10th the bitrate who just want longer recording times, fewer mag changes, and cheaper media. It may be a digital cinema camera with bitrates made to compete with raw workflows from phantom, arri and other cinema cameras, but it would be silly for them to not implement functionality that would make it useable for run and gun especially for those projects that are delivering to the web or even only 1080p...
That said, I am more digital cinema oriented than run and gun so EPIC-S seems like a strong option for me, but until then the FS100 looks like everything I wanted my 7D to be, and that worked surprisingly well for me. In the end, how much I like the FS100 will probably depend a lot on the flexibility and implementation of its picture profile system. When I used the FS100 a month ago it looked very promising, but without looking at it harder and doing some serious testing, it will be hard to know how limited it really is. Best case we can unlock some of that extra highlight latitude Sony saved for the F3+Slog, worst case the gamma curve I saw looked good and had smoother highlights than I was ever able to get out of an AF100 or 7D/5D (except for with my custom picture style). I'm thinking with how clean the FS100 is, a good picture profile setting that really shifts the midpoint to trade shadow latitude for some more highlight latitude may really make the camera shine for those of us less afraid of a little noise.
That said, I am more digital cinema oriented than run and gun so EPIC-S seems like a strong option for me, but until then the FS100 looks like everything I wanted my 7D to be, and that worked surprisingly well for me. In the end, how much I like the FS100 will probably depend a lot on the flexibility and implementation of its picture profile system. When I used the FS100 a month ago it looked very promising, but without looking at it harder and doing some serious testing, it will be hard to know how limited it really is. Best case we can unlock some of that extra highlight latitude Sony saved for the F3+Slog, worst case the gamma curve I saw looked good and had smoother highlights than I was ever able to get out of an AF100 or 7D/5D (except for with my custom picture style). I'm thinking with how clean the FS100 is, a good picture profile setting that really shifts the midpoint to trade shadow latitude for some more highlight latitude may really make the camera shine for those of us less afraid of a little noise.
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Rick Burnett
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Las year yes, I was all ready to go with a Scarlet Fixed and then add a Scarlet S35 brain so I could have both sensor sizes for appropriate shooting. However, with the removing of the Scarlet S35 and then creating the Epic-S, the price point is just not there for me anymore. With all the accessories needed to use even a basic setup for the Epic-S that I'd want, including EOS mount, Redmote, SSD drives and drives, batteries, side handle, and touch LCD, it's going to be a lot.
But, I also don't have any confidence it is coming out any time soon. Sony is already releasing their second camera in the S35 size (not counting the more consumer models), as this point, I'd even believe Canon getting to market with a new camera before the Scarlet fixed comes out!
My feelings right now are to go with the FS100/AF100 for now and continue to be productive and when the RED cameras do come out for real, evaluate where I am. Seeing the low light performance on the FS100, I'm REALLY happy with where Sony is going. I can't wait to see what comes after the F3/FS100.
But, I also don't have any confidence it is coming out any time soon. Sony is already releasing their second camera in the S35 size (not counting the more consumer models), as this point, I'd even believe Canon getting to market with a new camera before the Scarlet fixed comes out!
My feelings right now are to go with the FS100/AF100 for now and continue to be productive and when the RED cameras do come out for real, evaluate where I am. Seeing the low light performance on the FS100, I'm REALLY happy with where Sony is going. I can't wait to see what comes after the F3/FS100.
nyvz
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Rick Burnett
Section Moderator
Haha, I don't mean that I am actually waiting for it, I am very happy with the FS100 specs. this is just engineering curiosity. With the amazing sensitivity of both the F3 and the FS100 I wonder what other areas they are going to focus on.
John Caballero
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Scarlet? What the heck is a "Scarlet"?
Postmaster
Dark Side of the Camera
I was all Scarlet since they announced it 3k for 3k.
Than things went "subject to change", ya all know that line....
I still was looking at the fixed Scarlet, but then there came the FS100 - and there goes the Scarlet, sorry Jim.
I still want the Epic S - but I´m at a point, where I think it may be much more clever to rent one, when a job calls for it, than spend 20k on a camera that may be obsolete 2 years later, since a lot of other camera came out that do the same for 25% of the price.
This is a very unusual move for me, since I´m pretty anal when it comes to owning my own gear - I always hated renting. I love to have my own stuff here so I can use it whenever I want.
But renting is way cleverer tax wise, I can use equipment I could never afford, no repairs and always the newest stuff.
So I decided to sell my trusty HVX200 (as long as I still get money for it) and buy a FS100 for smaller jobs, my own little projects and personal joy, while renting RED, Alexa or F3 when needed.
Frank
Than things went "subject to change", ya all know that line....
I still was looking at the fixed Scarlet, but then there came the FS100 - and there goes the Scarlet, sorry Jim.
I still want the Epic S - but I´m at a point, where I think it may be much more clever to rent one, when a job calls for it, than spend 20k on a camera that may be obsolete 2 years later, since a lot of other camera came out that do the same for 25% of the price.
This is a very unusual move for me, since I´m pretty anal when it comes to owning my own gear - I always hated renting. I love to have my own stuff here so I can use it whenever I want.
But renting is way cleverer tax wise, I can use equipment I could never afford, no repairs and always the newest stuff.
So I decided to sell my trusty HVX200 (as long as I still get money for it) and buy a FS100 for smaller jobs, my own little projects and personal joy, while renting RED, Alexa or F3 when needed.
Frank
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