or Sony RX10: What we've been looking for from Panasonic?

philiplipetz said:
average sunlight is f16 1/100 at ISO 100, and snow is one to two stops smaller. So, with the ND engaged it is f8 at 1/50 ISO 100, and f11-16 on the beach or snow or at altitude. Not F2.8. At 60p, the 180 degree shutter setting gvies one stop larger f stop. The camera has limitations when shoting at 24p, which is all I do, at 1/50.

I am glad you love the camera but tHere are limitations in any $1300 camera and it is wise to acknowledge them. The lens starts to have diffraction problems at f8, so work around that. and that is why there has to be ND filter. It needed a stronger setting.
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My God. Now he's giving sunny 16 rules. Everywhere I read your posts you are always negative towards any of the subjects you comment on.

Add another 3 stop ND to the front of the lens. OUCH, what a limitation! My poor fingers! Because shooting at the beach and in the snow at noon are always so pleasant. What else does the camera suffer from to you? Is there a camera in the world you can think positively of that is less than $1500?

Say... You seem to have the camera. Why don't you post some stuff?
 
dustylense said:
My God. Now he's giving sunny 16 rules. Everywhere I read your posts you are always negative towards any of the subjects you comment on.

Add another 3 stop ND to the front of the lens. OUCH, what a limitation! My poor fingers! Because shooting at the beach and in the snow at noon are always so pleasant. What else does the camera suffer from to you? Is there a camera in the world you can think positively of that is less than $1500?

Say... You seem to have the camera. Why don't you post some stuff?
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you should have seen when i put up my BMPC up for sale on the C mount group on facebook. Some kid literally cursed at me for ruining the vibe/good spirits of the group.
 
dustylense said:
My God. Now he's giving sunny 16 rules. Everywhere I read your posts you are always negative towards any of the subjects you comment on.

Add another 3 stop ND to the front of the lens. OUCH, what a limitation! My poor fingers! Because shooting at the beach and in the snow at noon are always so pleasant. What else does the camera suffer from to you? Is there a camera in the world you can think positively of that is less than $1500?

Say... You seem to have the camera. Why don't you post some stuff?
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Dustylense. Why don't you act with some civility and respect. Not everyone has to agree with you, and I don't like your bullying techniques. When facts fail resort to bullying. I have had it with years of your negativity to anyone who does not agree with you.

And the purpose of this forum is to test the limits of equipment, not be a cheerleading section for our favorite camera. Only when you know the limits can you work with security, fully using what you have. you seem to hate talking about limitations, but that is why we do test before using equipment. by sharing limitations we help other people effectively use equipment. To please stop saying I am negative, just testing. if you look at the RX10 threads you will see that I posted the settings that many people now use, In portrait and deep modes.

BTW you ignore my point about the limits of the lens due to small aperture diffraction that have been noted in many technical reviews. A most important limitation in an otherwise fine lens.
 
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I get that the internal ND is not perfect, a 2-4-6 stops setup like that in the C300 would be better. I also like that sensor better. And the codec. I don't like the price, though.
Dusty did say you just have to add another 3 stops at the front. Then you can go from 0 to 3 or from 3 to 6 with the push of a button, but have to screw/unscrew if you want to go from one pair to the other. Not perfect, but better than my current setup of having to screw/unscrew at least one filter every time I want to change something, or 2 if I want to go from 0 to 6.
 
Samuel H said:
I get that the internal ND is not perfect, a 2-4-6 stops setup like that in the C300 would be better. I also like that sensor better. And the codec. I don't like the price, though.
Dusty did say you just have to add another 3 stops at the front. Then you can go from 0 to 3 or from 3 to 6 with the push of a button, but have to screw/unscrew if you want to go from one pair to the other. Not perfect, but better than my current setup of having to screw/unscrew at least one filter every time I want to change something, or 2 if I want to go from 0 to 6.
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if shooting outdoors all day on a sunny day, i'd just leave a polarizer on it, that should kill another 1-2 stops and add the benefits of reflection control, then if you pop inside for a second you can just kill the internal 3 stop and iso compensate a bit. a polarizer might be the rx10's best friend
 
philiplipetz said:
Dustylense. Why don't you act with some civility and respect. Not everyone has to agree with you, and I don't like your bullying techniques. When facts fail resort to bullying. I have had it with years of your negativity to anyone who does not agree with you.

And the purpose of this forum is to test the limits of equipment, not be a cheerleading section for our favorite camera. Only when you know the limits can you work with security, fully using what you have. you seem to hate talking about limitations, but that is why we do test before using equipment. by sharing limitations we help other people effectively use equipment. To please stop saying I am negative, just testing. if you look at the RX10 threads you will see that I posted the settings that many people now use, In portrait and deep modes.

BTW you ignore my point about the limits of the lens due to small aperture diffraction that have been noted in many technical reviews. A most important limitation in an otherwise fine lens.
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Christopher (dustylense),

Please join me in ignoring this rant as I do his other posts. I'll take your positive posts and real-world samples over photography 101 quotes any day.
 
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Darren Levine said:
if shooting outdoors all day on a sunny day, i'd just leave a polarizer on it, that should kill another 1-2 stops and add the benefits of reflection control, then if you pop inside for a second you can just kill the internal 3 stop and iso compensate a bit. a polarizer might be the rx10's best friend
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So right about the polarizer Darren. Every camera should wear one in bright sun. In many cases an ND is then unnecessary. I confess to never using add-on ND.
 
Darren Levine said:
you should have seen when i put up my BMPC up for sale on the C mount group on facebook. Some kid literally cursed at me for ruining the vibe/good spirits of the group.
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Utterly hysterical Darren! Some in these groups border on the obsessed. I've seen them continually posting videos whose colors are obviously wrong, with chronic sepia tints and an overall 'old movie' look. yet they rave about them.

I'm not disputing that you can get some really nice results from these little cameras, but it obviously requires a skill set that few possess. That's why Hollywood pays big bucks for people with this talent.
 
Ken7 said:
I'm not disputing that you can get some really nice results from these little cameras, but it obviously requires a skill set that few possess. That's why Hollywood pays big bucks for people with this talent.
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It ain't that hard Ken.
The world is filled with countless great photographers and film makers big and small that never saw hollywood or a real budget.
It just takes a bit of practice like every creative tool from a guitar to a paint brush.
 
Testing the RX10 on a Motor Home shoot.
These shoots are always quick.
I think I found my new camera for these shoots.
We were using the HVX200. I have used the GH2
as well but was never impressed with the
quality I was getting inside the coach.
The RX10 performs better than the HVX
and the GH2. The colors are spot on.
And most of this was using AWB!
The setting was STD -1,+1,+2
I did use some DRO in the interiors.
Maybe 1 or 2…...
 
jimagine said:
It ain't that hard Ken.
The world is filled with countless great photographers and film makers big and small that never saw hollywood or a real budget.
It just takes a bit of practice like every creative tool from a guitar to a paint brush.
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Jim, what I was referring to was the numerous RAW videos posted from cameras like the BMPCC where colors are so obviously wrong. Most of these were not an attempt to stylize the video, but rather failed attempts to get natural, believable color, from these cameras.

Personally, I find good in-camera processing to be better than the results I see from RAW video, despite the promise of added dynamic range. I'm sure there are exceptions, but they seem few and far between...especially when you consider the extra work involved. I'm sure opinions differ.
 
Michael Schrengohst said:
Testing the RX10 on a Motor Home shoot.
These shoots are always quick.
I think I found my new camera for these shoots.
We were using the HVX200. I have used the GH2
as well but was never impressed with the
quality I was getting inside the coach.
The RX10 performs better than the HVX
and the GH2. The colors are spot on.
And most of this was using AWB!
The setting was STD -1,+1,+2
I did use some DRO in the interiors.
Maybe 1 or 2…...
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Looks great Michael! Your video had me wanting that motor home.
 
dan.carter said:
Looks great Michael! Your video had me wanting that motor home.
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Great! Wait until you see the final video!
The MSRP is $1.3 mil but you can get it for the low price of only $899K…..
The place I do this for is now the #1 Motor Home dealer in the world.
I have done work for them since 2007. It keeps growing and growing.
 
Ken7 said:
Jim, what I was referring to was the numerous RAW videos posted from cameras like the BMPCC where colors are so obviously wrong. Most of these were not an attempt to stylize the video, but rather failed attempts to get natural, believable color, from these cameras.

Personally, I find good in-camera processing to be better than the results I see from RAW video, despite the promise of added dynamic range. I'm sure there are exceptions, but they seem few and far between...especially when you consider the extra work involved. I'm sure opinions differ.
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Yes, I have the BMCC mft and usually shoot ProRes. The added work with RAW is usually not an option as I am turning and burning. I like the BMCC for interviews. Dropping in a ProRes file Fcp X and doing some minor CC takes no time. I did have the Pocket cam for awhile but it just did not live up to the hype. I sold it and got the RX10. I can use this camera in the real world with very good results.
 
Looks good Michael. Did you shoot 24P or 60P dropped into a slower timeline? I found that if you externally record using the Mp4 setting you can get a 30p framerate. And I too find the AWB to be quite good. Looks like the AF worked out well for the opening tracking shot, yes?

Here is a small run and gun slider package I use quite a bit.
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Its a tripod made by Benro that has a leveling base built in. The Slider is the Cinevate Duzi and is super smooth and quiet. the whole thing weighs near nothing and I easily shoot my C100 with ninja on it all the time. Might be a perfect combo with the RX10 and shoots like this in tight spaces.
 

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I love those Benro sticks Christopher - specifically for the leveling head, weight and frankly lack of spreader.
I originally got one with the S6 head, that I didn't like at all and replaced it with another Manfrotto.
I like it so much that I got another for a small jib and my Sachtler pretty much stays in the case.

So you like the Duzi?
 
dustylense said:
Looks good Michael. Did you shoot 24P or 60P dropped into a slower timeline? I found that if you externally record using the Mp4 setting you can get a 30p framerate. And I too find the AWB to be quite good. Looks like the AF worked out well for the opening tracking shot, yes?
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Thanks, I shot everything 24p. Yes those shots of the coach were just handheld and grabbed spur of the moment.
We were going to take it out on the road and get some highway driving shots but just ran out of light
yesterday. I would love to have the luxury of time to use sliders etc. We do have a EZ jib for exterior shots
of the coaches. I slap my GH2 with the 7-14 on it. They do give me more time on the higher end coaches.
Most of the coaches are 80K to 250K. By the time I have edited the photos or videos the coach is usually sold.
Sometimes we will make a brand specific video on a coach if they have 80 to 100 in stock.
I don't take the day to day photos. They have another guy who works for them as an employee
and he takes photos of every coach that comes in. His work load is about 5-7 coaches per day.
I have trained the guy as best as I could, sometimes he listens to me…...
I produce about 2 videos per week and take the photos of the high end coaches.
 
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