or Sony RX10: What we've been looking for from Panasonic?
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walkaboutcamera
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Thank you for doing this Dusty. I appreciate the faster camera movement in the last video posted, because it shows a speed of camera movement at the top end of what I would ever use. Good stuff.
Len
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dan.carter
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All great looking clips Christopher. Kind of shoots a hole in the RX10 being too expensive argument.
I envy the gimbal. Thanks for sharing.
azonicbruce
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Not that it matters since I already ordered one, but my main concern is whether it is better than the gh2 (unhacked). I was pretty happy with the image coming out of the Gh2 even though it had its limitations. Also, have you guys had a chance to try any crop modes? It was great in the gh2 and stabilizer work because you could work with 2 focal lengths without needing to rebalance. Like others have mentioned, thanks all you guys for your work and help with these initial evaluations.
dan.carter
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A definite step above the the GH2 in image and feature set. I'll be testing the RX10 Clear Image Zoom in the next few days to see if it functions like Panasonic ETC.
Darren Levine
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starting to dive into my rx10 as well and all i can say for the moment is that it's just fun, there's tons of stuff in it, and that might be the main complaint is the vast depths of menu settings, but nothing that isn't manageable.
now, if you fellas haven't tried it yet, you best get out your smartphone/tablet and connect with the playmemories app and start really giggling when you see you can control the zoom with LIVE preview from said wireless device
and unlike the gopro, that live preview is pretty darn close to LIVE, LIVE, like, within a few frames.
now, if you fellas haven't tried it yet, you best get out your smartphone/tablet and connect with the playmemories app and start really giggling when you see you can control the zoom with LIVE preview from said wireless device
and unlike the gopro, that live preview is pretty darn close to LIVE, LIVE, like, within a few frames.
dustylense
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Happy Thanksgiving kids! Shot this where I spend the the day and is a total torture test for any digital camera.
https://vimeo.com/80599788
And again, I let the camera focus in continuous AF the entire day.
And again, I let the camera focus in continuous AF the entire day.
Mark Williams
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Very nice. This is the type sample that I was hoping to see.
stoneinapond
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And to you too. :thumbsup:
dan.carter
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Most excellent! Music was was hypnotic and a nice fit.
Rather nice letting the camera handle focus. Broke all rules and shot "P" mode yesterday. Camera made near the same choices I would.
Hope you had a fine Thanksgiving.
dan.carter
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starting to dive into my rx10 as well and all i can say for the moment is that it's just fun, there's tons of stuff in it, and that might be the main complaint is the vast depths of menu settings, but nothing that isn't manageable.
now, if you fellas haven't tried it yet, you best get out your smartphone/tablet and connect with the playmemories app and start really giggling when you see you can control the zoom with LIVE preview from said wireless device
and unlike the gopro, that live preview is pretty darn close to LIVE, LIVE, like, within a few frames.
Congratulations Darren! I hope you have a great RX10 adventure.
stoneinapond
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The second part of that statement is true for sure.
The first part is meaningless unless you specify what lenses you are using on a GH2. On the RX10 you do have an indisputably beautiful Zeiss lens. Put something of equal quality on the GH2 and the proposition falls apart. I will concede that you have used both cameras, but judging from what has been posted so far, I'll stand by my statement.
dustylense
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That one was right up your alley isn't it, Mark? I was surprised that the camera held it together down in the creek with all the tree roots and branches. Plus, this was shot during twilight so I was shooting at 640-1250 ISO at 2.8 to f/4. I used the deep profile that everyone keeps recommending. Like I said, camera was in continuous AF the entire time and only used Standard Stabilize shooting the food.
In the original there is aliasing. But that is to be expected shooting down in that creek. But the aliasing is so minimal that you just keep on shooting. The lens is wonderful and probably the biggest part of the camera. Set exposure, shoot, reframe, zoom, compose, hit record again, no worries of exposure compensate. Instead of having to think of the camera, I was able to find the shots and capture them. Having zebras in this camera is equally important. I'm talking REAL zebras that you can set to your desire. THATS HUGE.
I spent about 15-20 minutes filming this. I had 24p set to custom 1, and 60p set to custom 2 for easy switching of mode.
I might even buy a second camera for when I shoot corporate interviews. Add the XLR module and you would have a nice easy to use package for such an assignment. And here is hoping that soon Sony will do some firmware tweaks to better the camera be it codec or maybe even a video enhanced color profile like a LOGish setting.
I tried the stills function because the daughter and her friend wanted me to take a picture with their Iphone in the creek. I said that I have a better camera in my hands. Which was true.
So far I consider the RX10 a VERY good purchase.
dan.carter
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For those wondering if Sony's RX10 CIZ (Clear Image Zoom) functions like Panasonic's GH2/3 ETC (Extended Tele Conversion) mode, you'll be pleasantly surprised. Nice to know we've got a 400mm option without carrying it.
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dustylense
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I would say that is acceptable resolution on CIZ. At least Canon HDSLR sharp.
Darren Levine
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Yes so far i've mostly been scrutinizing the CIZ, and the power zoom stuff, and the CIZ is implemented pretty well and performs about as well as i think could be hoped for.
I like that CIZ isn't just a on/off thing, when you activate it, it's like digital zoom on a P/S, as you zoom in, it uses the optical, and when it reaches the end it kicks into the digital zoom. the one imperfection is that they didn't quite match the speed of the lens zoom to the downsample, so it isn't like you can get a perfect 24-200 zoom in/out. though perhaps there is some tinkering that might improve on that.
I also read that the smooth aperture ring is NOT creating a smooth ramp, and i did verify this, the aperture isn't quite a smooth open/close even though the interface feels smooth. It's not as bad as click in step,s but it's not as smooth as a real stepless aperture. i found that a faster ramp will look smoother than a slower ramp. I don't ramp much at all, so not a biggie for me.
The single thing that has me knowing this is the only camera in town for me at this point in time is the power zoom, it just doesn't exist at this price/performance anywhere else, at the moment its still taking a bit of figuring out to see what speeds/methods do what, but the slow zoom in/out is just beautiful. something that is good but not quite perfect is the slope of the start/stop of the power zoom, it DOES ease into the start/stop a bit, but i do wish it did a bit more, but it's perfectly acceptable to me and i know i can probably use warp to fine tune it even more.
and i'm just going to go ahead and own up to my not being able to figure out how to flip the damn thing into manual focus mode for a solid 30 minutes. we canon folk just don't expect that front facing flip switch!
I like that CIZ isn't just a on/off thing, when you activate it, it's like digital zoom on a P/S, as you zoom in, it uses the optical, and when it reaches the end it kicks into the digital zoom. the one imperfection is that they didn't quite match the speed of the lens zoom to the downsample, so it isn't like you can get a perfect 24-200 zoom in/out. though perhaps there is some tinkering that might improve on that.
I also read that the smooth aperture ring is NOT creating a smooth ramp, and i did verify this, the aperture isn't quite a smooth open/close even though the interface feels smooth. It's not as bad as click in step,s but it's not as smooth as a real stepless aperture. i found that a faster ramp will look smoother than a slower ramp. I don't ramp much at all, so not a biggie for me.
The single thing that has me knowing this is the only camera in town for me at this point in time is the power zoom, it just doesn't exist at this price/performance anywhere else, at the moment its still taking a bit of figuring out to see what speeds/methods do what, but the slow zoom in/out is just beautiful. something that is good but not quite perfect is the slope of the start/stop of the power zoom, it DOES ease into the start/stop a bit, but i do wish it did a bit more, but it's perfectly acceptable to me and i know i can probably use warp to fine tune it even more.
and i'm just going to go ahead and own up to my not being able to figure out how to flip the damn thing into manual focus mode for a solid 30 minutes. we canon folk just don't expect that front facing flip switch!
Darren Levine
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oh and if you haven't tinkered with DRO yet, try out 2 or 3, has a definite effect on shadows and hence helps to flatten things out. not seeing any crucial degradation from it, but still scrutinizing.
dan.carter
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You may have already done this, but you can set a custom button to AF/MF Toggle. I use the right dial button.
Thanks for the updates.
Darren Levine
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Haven't had the time to do much preference setting yet. just time to shoot my bird a bit
dan.carter
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This is a good point. Panasonic's ETC is a bit fiddly.
Your bird seems to take direction well...