or Sony RX10: What we've been looking for from Panasonic?

dan.carter said:
Rather unscientific test using RX100II (same sensor as RX10) as baseline compared to GH3. Lumix 12-35 f2.8 & 20mm f1.7. Same low-light scene. Both cameras 24p, Manual Movie Mode, Exposure meter set to "0"
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...Now did the footage from both cameras look identically exposed ?

It's not uncommon for some cameras to under or over expose compared to another model, so we need to look at the recorded image to confirm that the exposure is the same.
 
malibudutchie said:
That's incorrect on two counts: Firstly broadcast cameraman do change lenses, usually to a wide and secondly, the reason they don't change often is because they have a power zoom with a rocker for smooth operation, so they can cover a wide range of shots. Try zooming in and out with any DSLR M43 kits lens and working quickly with scene changes such as sports....nearly impossible. The whole reason DSLR or M43 has been a hit is because of the ability use fast lenses to enable shallow DOF while outputting broadcast quality pics. As much as I love my GH3 it falls down severely in areas such as the viewfinder, audio, ergonomics on the run, shooting in daylight. But that's not what I bought it for. The RX10 is just another release which addresses a few basic problems and having a fixed lens is a BIG mistake.
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They don't change in the middle of an important moment, which is the salient point of the discussion.
We all change lenses as pros.
But as a production team, you need both options - one for action and doc and one for narrative and commercials - we do both.
 
TheDingo said:
...Now did the footage from both cameras look identically exposed ?

It's not uncommon for some cameras to under or over expose compared to another model, so we need to look at the recorded image to confirm that the exposure is the same.
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So True. Here is the actual comparison:

RX100II used as baseline. ISO adjusted to "0" exposure meters. All lenses full wide. Both cameras Multi-Metered. Only two variable were ISO and candle added to scene.

IMO: GH3 exposes brighter than RX100II (my preference would be RX100II). Definite difference in DOF due to sensor size. My experience with the RX100II is, despite sensor size differences these cameras are relatively equal in low-light.

 
After seeing these, I'm really interested in seeing what the RX10 footage will look like.
I have to admit, I've been underwhelmed by the little bit of footage they've allowed out.
As always, it would be great if they gave a good DP some real time with the camera to see what it can do.
When I see the footage you shot with the 100 and the GH3 at the Biltmore the first thing that I see is smoother shoulder with the Sony but of course it's impossible to know without even settings for comparison.
But here again, the look is obviously a lot more saturated and contrasty and interestingly, warmer tones as in the Biltmore footage.
 
I am wondering if the camera menu will be solid. I like the menu on the FS100/FS700/EA50 but don't like the menu on the VG10/20/30 NX70. All those seem consumerish. The biggest thing for me is to be able to hit RESET and then build up settings exactly as I like them every time.
 
Gordon Laing has posted some short clips from the RX10 on Vimeo with the original .mts files available for download. The detail looks pretty amazing & it's noise free at ISO3200. The continuous AF is impressive too.


Sony Cyber-shot RX10 sample movie: static zoom on Vimeo
Sony Cyber-shot RX10 sample movie: 1080 / 60p and 3200 ISO on Vimeo
Sony Cyber-shot RX10 sample movie: continuous AF at 400 ISO on Vimeo
Sony Cyber-shot RX10 sample movie: continuous AF focus pulling at 400 ISO on Vimeo
Sony Cyber-shot RX10 sample movie: manual focus pulling on Vimeo
Sony Cyber-shot RX10 sample movie: low light handheld pan 1080 / 60i at 1600 ISO on Vimeo


BTW Brits may know Gordon Laing as the former editor of Personal Computer World which was Britain’s first and longest-running IT magazine until it went out of business in 2009. He has obviously found a new niche doing camera reviews Camera reviews, DSLR reviews, lens reviews, photography guides | Cameralabs
 
Please, Sony is it that hard to put this camera in the hands of someone who can shoot.
And why is everything in 60i...60fps?
Again someone who understands the basics of the craft...with a tripod...and some humans closer than 100 feet.
Not that we don't all aspire to shoot tree bark on cloudy days, god knows it's a critical client request.

Unless Sony's point is that it's only allowed to be used as an actual point and shoot.
But then, even most soccer mom's have a better eye and technique.
 
jimagine said:
Please, Sony is it that hard to put this camera in the hands of someone who can shoot.
And why is everything in 60i...60fps?
Again someone who understands the basics of the craft...with a tripod...and some humans closer than 100 feet.
Not that we don't all aspire to shoot tree bark on cloudy days, god knows it's a critical client request.

Unless Sony's point is that it's only allowed to be used as an actual point and shoot.
But then, even most soccer mom's have a better eye and technique.
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Is a bit frustrating. Seems we often must judge an image based on worst case handling.

Even dpreview recently posted A7 & RX10 photos which caused much back pedaling.

Fingers crossed we'll see quality soon.
 
Ken7 said:
The fair footage looked excellent. Very nice, saturated colors and image sharpness. Looks like the camera has some great promise. I'd love to see the original file prior to YouTube doing its thing with it.

Here's another review raving about the unit:
http://www.digitalcamerareview.com/...s=sony+RX10+image+gallery+fantastic+ultrazoom
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Thats likely because a lot of that look is baked into the image. Part of the beauty of the GH3 is putting more control over the image in the hands of the shooter and not the manufacturer. If you want a point and shoot type of video camera and don't want to change the look then yes out of the box the RX10 would be a good option. Color correcting that much of a look baked in however will not give you as much control as on the GH3. I'm sure the GH3 could be adjusted to give just as punchy of color if thats the look you are going for.
 
Thomas, do you know that the RX10 doesn't allow you to adjust the basic contrast, sharpening and saturation like the GH3?
Most people shoot the GH3 with baked in looks also.
 
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