JPNola
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“everyone” in control is old
“always” unhinged
Either a person “ has or hasn't” used AF
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I’m only now seeing your penchant for always using rhetorical extremes.
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“everyone” in control is old
“always” unhinged
Either a person “ has or hasn't” used AF
________
I’m only now seeing your penchant for always using rhetorical extremes.
NorBro
Major Contributor
lol. Life isn't fair.
When higher-education is being questioned more every day, I figured film school would be as well (a long time ago).
It's like, you want how much?
The world is constantly changing and paying money to learn something many feel they can learn themselves may not work for long, IDK, as these kind of degrees become more undervalued. Still good for the contacts though...per usual that's how many people get the work in question.
NorBro
Major Contributor
Don't waste my time anymore.
JPNola
Veteran
Looking at FX9 accessories online and credit to SmallRig for producing little accessories like the beefier clip for the grip cable and innovation like the removable rosettes on their shoulder-plate. If that’s been done before, I’ve not seen it.
SmallRig was also innovative with their solicitation of designs from consumers that SmallRig then produced. If memory serves, SmallRig produced a design submitted by a user of this forum. Was it Ben?
SmallRig was also innovative with their solicitation of designs from consumers that SmallRig then produced. If memory serves, SmallRig produced a design submitted by a user of this forum. Was it Ben?
Then you won't be surprised when the outside the crowd says lighting is obsolete because of auto exposure. You'll just be old.
There's always free cheese in a mousetrap.
Ben Scott
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And I'm not saying this to be rude, but who are you? Are we are talking about people who remember those times fondly because they couldn't afford a Red One or a lasting legacy?
DSLRs let you earn a living making videos? Great. Genuinely. Not sure that has really impacted features other than a lot of people cut their teeth on them in the same way people prior to that cut their teeth on Mini DV, Hi8, Super 8mm etc.
One could argue that the DSLR revolution's biggest legacy is the large format look that came into fashion - and now the proliferation of large sensor 'proper' cameras - but you could equally look at the timing and see the resurgence of people shooting IMAX etc has having an input on that as well.
This is about the biggest load of bollocks I have ever read on here and frankly pretty disrespectful to people attending film school.
EDIT: I am delighted bollocks got through the swear filter
EDIT EDIT:
We'll all be making films in Unreal Engine before AF becomes a standard on features anyway.
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NorBro
Major Contributor
haha, I don't want to hear that...that's one I can't imagine being replaced (although software with strong lighting elements is good for that too).
morgan_moore
Major Contributor
The actual product of 2008 DSLR footage doesnt have much legacy or the like. Elements of the tech have had huge legacy. IMO
By me I mean a whole bunch of people seeking an aesthetic beyond the XA1 but not being able to afford it ?
pretty disrespectful to people attending film school
Disrespectful of what they are taught. Not them.
By me I mean a whole bunch of people seeking an aesthetic beyond the XA1 but not being able to afford it ?
pretty disrespectful to people attending film school
Disrespectful of what they are taught. Not them.
NorBro
Major Contributor
That's interesting if true...I know GvK was one.
JPNola
Veteran
I’m with you, Ben. Some pejorative generalizing here about feature-film folks. Vilification, even.
I don’t know the reason for the animosity.
Absence of any personal familiarity, maybe? Bad personal experience on a film prod? Envy?
A greenhorn reading those posts might well come away deciding they need to rethink their ambition.
I don’t know the reason for the animosity.
Absence of any personal familiarity, maybe? Bad personal experience on a film prod? Envy?
A greenhorn reading those posts might well come away deciding they need to rethink their ambition.
JPNola
Veteran
The actual product of 2008 DSLR footage doesnt have much legacy or the like. Elements of the tech have had huge legacy. IMO
By me I mean a whole bunch of people seeking an aesthetic beyond the XA1 but not being able to afford it ?
pretty disrespectful to people attending film school
Disrespectful of what they are taught. Not them.
How is it you know that film schools are not teaching about modern AF or know that only a few film schools are?
It isn’t something one can know just by looking at course titles and course descriptions.
Ben Scott
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Not a ton of them but tentpole movies in various Transformers, The Dark Knight, Interstellar, Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol, Dunkirk then you have the Arri IMAX cams prior to the Alexa 65 coming out and then Red Monstro and then the list is endless... The resurgence in 70mm type formats was going on at the same time as the 3D boom AND the 5D boom.
Also the 60D was better than the 5D mk2. Yeah, I said it.
Actually the irony if this being a dual conversation now about DSLRs and AF is that the lasting legacy of DSLR filming is wafer thin large format DOF and everything being out of focus as an 'artistic choice' for several years.
NorBro
Major Contributor
The T4i holds a special place in my heart...maybe even over the 5D Mark II.
In 2012, 80% of everything I shot was constantly out-of-focus and I didn't even notice (and many others I worked with didn't either...it was almost like it was normal).
50mm f/1.4 and I'm good to go...
In 2012, 80% of everything I shot was constantly out-of-focus and I didn't even notice (and many others I worked with didn't either...it was almost like it was normal).
50mm f/1.4 and I'm good to go...
Which made me weary with the series Altered Carbon, which was shot with Arri LF65, had such beautiful color and range otherwise. Shallow DOF overdone. It's a nice technique but better to have some balance eventually.
morgan_moore
Major Contributor
There are two in my city. I sometimes grip/light on the final year films and also interact on facebook with the students and lecturers.
There is a project going on at the moment with an alexa studio.. I think the hire shops are in on it.. all the actual (bbc) productions are renting the AF kit and zooms so the rental shops do special prices on the 'cine' primes and lumpy old alexas on ronford sticks stuff. Arri are also in on it as they discount/tech/sponsor the colleges. Arri have big influence.
It has led to some stress as the sutdents are excited about the kit.. while relying me and my van to carry it at lo ball rates which is a real shame because I love working with young people but it pains me to see them so indoctronated.
I was lucky to go to a college where we beleived nothing and bracket tested everything drawing our own colclusions.
Ben Scott
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Lucky it wasn't 4k mate!
Ben Scott
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Handmaid's Tale is the show that gets it right as far as I am concerned. The use of shallow DOF really adds to the POV and the feelings of isolation.
NorBro
Major Contributor
I did notice all of the 1080/720p out of focus years later!
Just too green at the time to really concentrate on it, and nothing was on such a level where someone could teach me to know any better.
I guess some of the content moving in and out of focus (like music videos) was acceptable, but fuzzy eyes in interviews really torments me.
Just too green at the time to really concentrate on it, and nothing was on such a level where someone could teach me to know any better.
I guess some of the content moving in and out of focus (like music videos) was acceptable, but fuzzy eyes in interviews really torments me.