no one will buy this camera at 9k

Jubal28 said:
This is why I left Liquid and went to Vegas. There are no extra steps. Editing 24p and burning a 24p DVD is exactly the same as working entirely in 60i; the only difference is in which settings you choose for your timeline and for your render.
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Now we just need Vegas to be compatible with DVCPROHD. :-\
 
It *is* compatible; Vegas will read/write any codec you have installed on your system, and you can download DVCPRO. But native support would be nice, yes.
 
jrv3034 said:
We need to stop spreading the idea that the ONLY way to record DVCProHD on an HVX200 is with P2 cards. It is NOT the only way. You can attach a 100GB Firestore drive for less than $2000, making the grand total $8000. Or, you can plug the HVX into a laptop and record directly into your NLE, or DV Rack.

P2 is the easiest, most hassle free way of recording HD on the HVX, but not the only way, by any means.
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That's great! I didn't know that firestore makes a product that supports native DVCProHD. I would really apprciate it if you could point that out to me, because I can't find a firestore drive that does support the HVX200. The only firestore market I have seen is various SD support and the upcoming Focus Enhancements firestore for the new JVC. Thanks!
 
Focus issues a press release at IBC describing the new product -- they even issued its name, but I don't remember what it was. In any case, yes, a completely HVX-compatible FireStore is on its way, with an anticipated release date of sometime around March 2006.
 
Wow, I hope it was not my reference to 24P that cuased the debate. :undecided My only point is that when I purchased my DVX I wasn't even aware of the debate. I just thought it was great that I could apply the Cinegamma in 24 and 30P and 60i. I try to use the one I think will work best for what I'm producing. Everyone should keep in mind that any advice I might render is from my own perspective. I'm mostly retired and I do this for fun. :happy: If you are just starting in this industry listen to Barry, Jarred and the other moderators who can offer a more current perspective.

My focus now is HD and to "KILL TAPE - TAPE IS DEAD!" and figure out a workflow that makes this type of production feasable. Keep in mind that each of the vendors have only their self interest in mind, camera manufacturers want to sell cameras and media, drive manufacturers want to sell bigger and faster drives and NLE developers want to add more functionality to get you to buy their products. But if we are going to ever get to a tapeless production workflow, this is a systemic problem that we will have to figure out for ourselves. Panasonic will not be able to do that for us. That is where a forum like this can be valuable, all of us shareing our experience in what we have tried that works :thumbup: and what didn't work. :thumbdown Not debating the virtues of 24P versus 30P.
 
glassblowerscat said:
Why does every American think he knows better than all the marketing people big corporations hire to tell them what things should cost?

Clearly what you mean is that you won't buy this camera at $9000. Neither would I. But clearly that is just because it does not meet our needs well enough to justify that cost.

For someone whose needs are different, $9000 may well be a bargain, a price they would gladly pay to have the features they require.
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I agree with you but marketing folks have been wrong before (remember "New Coke").

-Nate
 
WestEnd said:
let's not forget that the Panasonic will likely require many to spend money on new computers and storage. That will put the overall expense higher than the Canon.

Comparing the extra cost to the JVC is justified by the 1080 resolution compared to the 720 of the JVC, and I'm sure the canon stock lens will be much better than the JVC stock lens.
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Thank you. This is all a lot of people have been saying. I would have to purchase more HD space, P2 or a Firestore just to be ready for Pana's Codec. I don't have to do that with any other camera. And since more people are reporting drop outs about the same rate a DV I'm confident with tape. Looking at it like that drop the four grand for the Canon without the studio stuff and and buy a $25 pack of tapes and I'm ready to go. I will need FCP 6 but I plan to get that and a MacBook anyway.

-Nate
 
Nathyn said:
Thank you. This is all a lot of people have been saying. I would have to purchase more HD space, P2 or a Firestore just to be ready for Pana's Codec. I don't have to do that with any other camera. And since more people are reporting drop outs about the same rate a DV I'm confident with tape. Looking at it like that drop the four grand for the Canon without the studio stuff and and buy a $25 pack of tapes and I'm ready to go. I will need FCP 6 but I plan to get that and a MacBook anyway.

-Nate
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You could try FCE HD. I'm going to try that one first since I have FCE and I can upgrade for $99.00. They are not bad programs and are a lot cheaper.
 
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