No HVX for me

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Let me ass on to that....spend $10g now......or spend $5g and then how much in the long run to upgrade when its outdated in 6mos? a year?

I feel (predict) the HVX will have a much longer term life span on the market, especially if the majority of the upgrades and updates can be provided via software.
 
Just wanted to let everyone know, I shot a movie with Evin as my Cinematographer, and we never shot more than 16GB per day, even though we were sometimes doing 6 takes of one shot. So after 10 days of steady production, I can archive all my movie originals on one $69.95 200GB HDD if I choose, including all the bad takes. We shot the equivalent of 10 tapes, which would have been $76.50 in Sony Excellence tape, or $139.95 in Sony HDV tape. Ofcourse I will not archive all that media, but if I wanted to, I could. And for all the times I don't need archiving, when I turn in HDD's at the end of the day to producers, the P2 cards will pay for themselves.
 
The Sarlac said:
Bingo, you just made my point.

The HVX IS a $10g camera...and in the world of professional filmmaking it is not a high price to pay.

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If you're just buying one camera maybe, maybe not. what if you're buying 9 cameras? that 5k price difference just turned into 45k.

money may not matter for you, but it does for others.
 
Rush said:
Just wanted to let everyone know, I shot a movie with Evin as my Cinematographer, and we never shot more than 16GB per day, even though we were sometimes doing 6 takes of one shot. So after 10 days of steady production, I can archive all my movie originals on one $69.95 200GB HDD if I choose, including all the bad takes. We shot the equivalent of 10 tapes, which would have been $76.50 in Sony Excellence tape, or $139.95 in Sony HDV tape. Ofcourse I will not archive all that media, but if I wanted to, I could. And for all the times I don't need archiving, when I turn in HDD's at the end of the day to producers, the P2 cards will pay for themselves.
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And what a lot video people are here are not realizing, or many people have forgotten is that one 4gb card shot at 720p/24pn gives you 10 minutes of footage at 24fps....that about the same as a 400ft load of 16mm.

I finished shooting a short two weeks ago, and it was about the same shooting ratio...16-20gb a day. No p2 store...straight to HD via powerbook.

Imported it ASAP at the end of the day, and logged and watched dailies on the fly...easy breezy.
 
The Sarlacc said:
Well....Viper was never a tape based camera ;)
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lol.. yes the viper wasn't, but the company had a history of tape cameras before it switched.

The SR didnt make it usable, it always was, the SR tape just made it 4:4:4.
 
brianluce said:
If you're just buying one camera maybe, maybe not. what if you're buying 9 cameras? that 5k price difference just turned into 45k.

money may not matter for you, but it does for others.
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Money matters for everyone.

You think I own a HVX? (I do...but I have it an investment, IE in a certain rental houses rental fleet) I will have a production rent the camera I will have the production rent me the camera I want based on the production.

BUT...so what if they are buying 9 cameras? cheap out?

People tend to have this shitty and inccorect logic of spending less money up front, and then don't realize how much more they are now spending later for whatever reasons.

Be smart, spend the money now and have less worries later.

If you are buying a camera SOLELY because it cheaper...then you are in the wrong business or a company I wouldn't want to associate myself with.

You can think about right now...or you can think about 10 moves ahead of now. Then, tell me about bang for the buck.

And of course....if youre going to buy 9 cameras, and you arent sure if you are going to recoup your cost...then you dont need 9 cameras, and you pissing away your money to begin because you have not thought your needs prior to purchasing.
 
Jarred Land said:
lol.. yes the viper wasn't, but the company had a history of tape cameras before it switched.

The SR didnt make it usable, it always was, the SR tape just made it 4:4:4.
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Well, what I meant to say was the SR made it cost effective and a much more viable option for use. ;)

Sad it was never adopted...real mechanic shutter and 4:4:4....great camera...too innovative for the time it was debuted.

I had feared the same thing for the HVX and P2...but my fears have been put to bed.
 
The Sarlacc said:
brianluce said:
I quite like the fact these camera are more expensive. I hate how the XL1 and even the DVX (though I love it) has made every no body and nitwit and "pro" camera person when they wouldnt know their arsehole from a hole in the ground if they ever got on a professional set.
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I don't understand this reasoning. it used to be that people were happy media has been democratized. Looks like now the idea is to make it a private club again.
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I wouldnt cheap out on HDD's. If your not into backing them up constantly id go with SeaGate or Hitachi.... Otherwise be careful.



Rush said:
So after 10 days of steady production, I can archive all my movie originals on one $69.95 200GB HDD if I choose, including all the bad takes.
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The Sarlacc said:
If you are buying a camera SOLELY because it cheaper...then you are in the wrong business or a company I wouldn't want to associate myself with.

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that's not what we mean when we say bang for the buck. there's a difference. Are you drunk?
 
brianluce said:
The Sarlacc said:
I don't understand this reasoning. it used to be that people were happy media has been democratized. Looks like now the idea is to make it a private club again.
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Sorry, but I get a giant laugh every time I peruse craigslist and see the morons attempting to find crews and rent cameras for no money to like $50 bucks a day. When in reality these people havent a clue as to what they are doing.

And whats worse is there are idiots who bought these cameras (on a credit card or whatever.) and accept such crappy rates...and it undercuts the rest of us in the long run, and will gradually bring rates down as whole...I already see it happening, and its a fight to get a proper rate sometimes.

So, call it a private club if you wish...I prefer to leave it in the hands of trained professionals. If someone wants to be a part of it, then start at the bottom, work their way, and learn like the rest of did.

Otherwise, they are just out there ripping people off, making garbage, and spreading misinformation about things about things they think they have an idea about...because they bought a $3g camera and made a "movie."

following me on this one?
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Dman,

Dont forget all these clips that are posted, are usually the BEST OF THE BEST types of footage. Which is good it lest s you seewhat a camera can do in the best situation.

But chekc barry's HDV/DVCpro comparison.

THe reason the HVX is "better" ( rather the format not the camera) is because it will stay stable under all shooting conditions. The Gop compression can be instantly turned to mush if there is a sudden burst of movement. Imagine youre on the lake, beautiful, calm glass like water with ducks. ;) suddenly a duck lands in your shot, the water spalshes, the ducks wings beat, all the oether ducks get scared and take off. The DVCpro footage will stay ROCK solid and every frame will be beautiful. Now im sure the HDV will look nice, but im sure ther will be noticable MAcro blocking in the now turbulent scene. the flaws will be exposed when you CC even more, because the HDV will have to be recompressed because of the changes in color.

Its all about image stability.


Food for thought.

i cant afford either. im just jealous.
 
The Sarlacc said:
lol, I am not trying to argue with you... at this point I am negating what other people are saying, and trying to offer the alternative view to what you are saying for other people to read.
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Sarlacc, you offer compelling alternative views. Views of which I agree with. However, while I cannot speak for Disjecta, I don't think those views are as important in his decision making process as image quality.
 
Ranger said:
Sarlacc, you offer compelling alternative views. Views of which I agree with. However, while I cannot speak for Disjecta, I don't think those views are as important in his decision making process as image quality.
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And that is cool. But these are views for others, less knowledgable, to see and consider.
 
brianluce said:
nope. that's how YOU are selling my argument.
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Read through everything you have written, and that is pretty much how you have come off with your statements.

All that coming from the guy who said let a 20 year old kid sell shooting projected images of film shot onto a HVX as a professional service. And even offered the even more lame silly idea of painting a piece of board white to use as a screen....rofl....
 
chill you guys. this is gonna get locked quick. Take it to the cafe. THis aint helping Disjecta choose a camera.
 
TimurCivan said:
chill you guys. this is gonna get locked quick. Take it to the cafe. THis aint helping Disjecta choose a camera.
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I believe Disjecta knows all the pros and cons at this point, and just needs to make the decision as which format/camera works best for him in the long run.

And I am sure he will be more then happy with whichever one he chooses.
 
TimurCivan said:
THe reason the HVX is "better" ( rather the format not the camera) is because it will stay stable under all shooting conditions. The Gop compression can be instantly turned to mush if there is a sudden burst of movement. Imagine youre on the lake, beautiful, calm glass like water with ducks. ;) suddenly a duck lands in your shot, the water spalshes, the ducks wings beat, all the oether ducks get scared and take off. The DVCpro footage will stay ROCK solid and every frame will be beautiful. Now im sure the HDV will look nice, but im sure ther will be noticable MAcro blocking in the now turbulent scene. the flaws will be exposed when you CC even more, because the HDV will have to be recompressed because of the changes in color. Sometimes, I have the feeling that we get so caught up preaching the standard talking points that we fail to validate for ourselves.

Its all about image stability.
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Playing devil's advocate for a second. I'm sure most of us have either heard or read the argument on HDV not handling motion very well, and in theory it sounds great and makes sense, but in reality, other than the most extreme of circumstances, how many of us have TRULY seen examples of the image breaking down?

Just like we hear from pro-HVX advocates about understanding the cameras strengths and limitations and accordingly working around those issues to bring out the best in the image, so also can the argument be made regarding the use of HDV. Meaning, would I use the format for high impact sports or events with lots of motion? Probably not. But if I was using it for documentaries, travel videos, etc. then I think HDV is entirely suitable.
 
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