No HVX for me

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Jarred Land said:
JVC is a good camera, but remember the money you save by not going to P2 cards will get eaten in needing to buy a new lens for the JVC.. and or/ about 6 months worth of tape stock.
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I think this was discussed once. It’s not really a fair comparison cuz dv tape is, like p2, a recording medium, and UNLIKE p2, are an archive solution.

It’s possible the HVX has a slightly superior image and more features, but I’ll argue that the HD100 offers more bang for the buck once p2 and archival solutions are factored in.
 
Jarred Land said:
bootcamp was incredible.. great people and as usual its nice being able to meet everyone in person.
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Sweet! Glad it went well! I am sure everyone benefitted greatly from it! :)
 
Well, this disjecta he's only Steven Dempsey...the same real digital filmmaker that even my mom knows and appreciates his special nature short movies. An opinion maker. End of story.
 
disjecta said:
After much research and exhaustive studying of footage from both the JVC HD100 and the HVX200, I have decided that I am not going to buy an HVX, preferring the footage from the JVC. It's significantly sharper and the temporal cadence of film at 24p is spot on. The JVC footage has an organic and analog feeling to it much like what initially attracted me to the DVX.
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Interesting...I have precisely the same POV.

I'm going to be closely watching the results of the big Texas shootout this weekend for some expert opinions on the current crop of HD cameras.
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What do you think about the PDW-F330 option?
 
disjecta said:
HD DVDs are just around the corner and I guess to reiterate my point, I am looking for the best HD camera I can get. I'm not looking to produce SD content, it's only going to be a matter of months before HD can be feasibly distributed.

It's just plain silly to consider SD as the only output option in a purchase of this size for me. This camera is all about future planning.
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Sure...once you get past the format war....see who adopts which one...the initial and expensive costs to get them to people. If either one will win, or both will fail.

Lest we not forget not that many people have HD TVs in their home, its increasing...but I still only know a few people who have laid down the cash.

I'm not sold on HD-DVD or Blu-Ray at this point, no matter how good either look. I'm sitting back and waiting to see what happens.

Hell, do you know how long it took for companies to finally accept Reels on DVD? For the longest time they still requested VHS copies.
 
brianluce said:
I think this was discussed once. It’s not really a fair comparison cuz dv tape is, like p2, a recording medium, and UNLIKE p2, are an archive solution.

It’s possible the HVX has a slightly superior image and more features, but I’ll argue that the HD100 offers more bang for the buck once p2 and archival solutions are factored in.
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An external HD for making back up copies....or Burned DVDs of the files (one 4gb p2 card = one single layer DVD) or one 8gb card = one dual layer DVD.

Lack of archival solutions for the HVX is not an issue.
 
I get all of that. My point is that it is forward-looking to consider the purchase of an HD camera. SD is just a transitionary necessity right now but it's not going to be what makes or breaks what camera I chose, it will be with HD distribution in mind.

Anyway, I think you and I know what we are talking about. Let's not get into an argument about distribution :kali: :Drogar-Evil(DBG): :furious3::Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)
 
The Sarlacc said:
An external HD for making back up copies....or Burned DVDs of the files (one 4gb p2 card = one single layer DVD) or one 8gb card = one dual layer DVD.

Lack of archival solutions for the HVX is not an issue.
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Yeah I just got a pair of 250 gig Segate drives for $85 a piece. I'd just backing stuff up to these babies and shelving them. I just keep them in their super padded shipping boxes.
 
disjecta said:
I get all of that. My point is that it is forward-looking to consider the purchase of an HD camera. SD is just a transitionary necessity right now but it's not going to be what makes or breaks what camera I chose, it will be with HD distribution in mind.

Anyway, I think you and I know what we are talking about. Let's not get into an argument about distribution :kali: :Drogar-Evil(DBG): :furious3::Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)
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lol, I am not trying to argue with you... at this point I am negating what other people are saying, and trying to offer the alternative view to what you are saying for other people to read.

I am in no way trying to disuade your decision. ;)
 
JesterJJZ said:
Yeah I just got a pair of 250 gig Segate drives for $85 a piece. I'd just backing stuff up to these babies and shelving them. I just keep them in their super padded shipping boxes.
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And as everything is slowly switching to an even more stable and reliable solid state storage (ala p2 card) we are moving away from hard drives with moveable parts, and the cost will go down. And there is the perfect solution for archiving.

But this is few years off.
 
The Sarlacc said:
Lack of archival solutions for the HVX is not an issue.
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that's a matter of opinion. a 4 gig dvd is not much video--not nearly enough for my work, and hd's are not viable for me in terms of reliability and price point. you may feel differently. the LTO option is good, but i fall back to my original point that it adds significantly to the price. blue ray options are promising, but again the price. for me, the hvx is really in the price category of the canon hd1--i see the hvx a more of a 10 thousand dollar camera whereas the JVC is more of a 5000 dollar solution.

in other words, yes, there are archival solutions for the hvx for it really bumps up the price. bang for buck? got go with jvc.
 
brianluce said:
I think this was discussed once. It’s not really a fair comparison cuz dv tape is, like p2, a recording medium, and UNLIKE p2, are an archive solution.

It’s possible the HVX has a slightly superior image and more features, but I’ll argue that the HD100 offers more bang for the buck once p2 and archival solutions are factored in.
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discussed many times.. but a bunk argument. You can use DVD's to archive P2 cards, and it will cost you at least 1/2 as much as a tape. Plus you dont have generation loss from copying masters etc. Work into the equation the hours and hours of capture time lost working with a tape format, it just doesnt work.

There is a reason EVERYONE is moving away from tape, including Sony, JVC, Panasonic, Viper, Dalsa etc....
 
brianluce said:
bang for buck? got go with jvc.
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Depends on what your use for the camera is....professional production, its not about bang for the buck, as much as a producer would love to make you believe.

Its about investing in the gear you need/want to get the job done.

If you want the HVX you have to be prepared to spend a little coin with it.

How much is a deck to use with the JVC? tape stock? A 2nd lens? It all adds up to.

Unless you are a total no budget filmmaker...its really a question of which camera looks best to YOU. which one fits YOUR needs best, and then you purchase and spend accordingly. That is what this thread is about.

And if the JVC or Canon suits disjecta better then the HVX, all is good.

I was offering alternative views to consider.
 
Jarred Land said:
Viper.
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Well....Viper was never a tape based camera ;)

It was years ahead of its time, when HD space was way too expensive. Clairmont Camera had looked into bying them, and deemed it too expensive and they would never recoup their costs.

The Sony SR decks made it useable...being utilized on Collateral...which the footage is clearly distinguishable from the F900 footage...and looks GOOD.

But sadly too little late...even though the cost of HD space is very low, the camera is overlooked and outdated by cameras like the D20 and Genesis, and the next generation P2 Varicam.
 
The Sarlacc said:
Hell, do you know how long it took for companies to finally accept Reels on DVD? For the longest time they still requested VHS copies.
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Good thing "they" were'nt the Wright Brothers or it would still take 11 days to get from New York to London . . . but then we'd probably also have a boat load of 8 tracks to help pass the time.
 
The Sarlacc said:
Depends on what your use for the camera is....professional production, its not about bang for the buck, as much as a producer would love to make you believe.


I beg to differ. this is a business. money matters. We'd love to go out and buy a cinealta. we could use about 4 of them actually. however we have a payroll, rent, a considerable overhead. bang for the buck factors into every single decision we make in purchasing equipment. we needed something highly portable for shooting long form interviews in hotel rooms--and we needed it at the best possible price point.

budgets are finite things. we can't just go out and spend spend spend.

i think the hvx is viable as a 6000 camera for indy filmmakers cuz they can get away with a single 4 gig card. but for most other applications, it's really a 10,000 dollar camera.
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brianluce said:
The Sarlacc said:
Depends on what your use for the camera is....professional production, its not about bang for the buck, as much as a producer would love to make you believe.


I beg to differ. this is a business. money matters. We'd love to go out and buy a cinealta. we could use about 4 of them actually. however we have a payroll, rent, a considerable overhead. bang for the buck factors into every single decision we make in purchasing equipment. we needed something highly portable for shooting long form interviews in hotel rooms--and we needed it at the best possible price point.

budgets are finite things. we can't just go out and spend spend spend.

i think the hvx is viable as a 6000 camera for indy filmmakers cuz they can get away with a single 4 gig card. but for most other applications, it's really a 10,000 dollar camera.
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Bingo, you just made my point.

The HVX IS a $10g camera...and in the world of professional filmmaking it is not a high price to pay.

We arent not talking about debating buying a Varicam or F900 package...cineatla is a brand label, not a camera name.

Budgets are to be considered, but in the world of independent filmmaking or lowbudget films its not a high price to pay...or rent.

I quite like the fact these camera are more expensive. I hate how the XL1 and even the DVX (though I love it) has made every no body and nitwit and "pro" camera person when they wouldnt know their arsehole from a hole in the ground if they ever got on a professional set.
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