NLE hardware options

BTW - all of this info is on the Panasonic website. The brochure lists the editing software that is compatible right now.

There are white papers/flowcharts describing possible workflows as well.
 
Thanks baquajim. And again this forums is great ! But is a dawm peety that we HAVE to suport at each other for information that should be given to us from the companys. For example I must correct your post (probably I am wrong) that the dv filmaker sofware has to do mainly with the NTSC 24p puldown and not with the 25p PAL. so it is not a programm that is a general neccesety for all HVX200 user that wants to use NLE. A am afraid that Panasonic and Canopus only refere to hardware systems that are dedicated for NLE with the use of Avid, Premiere etc and not our familiar PC/Mac that most of us alwready own. As for Canopus Broadcast... thanks for the info, but I really dont know what that is. There is not such thing in their website. I only found Pro coder station wich is for Broadcast, but again in the specs it only says that has Full HD Video suport, and mentions DVCPRo without even puting the HD mark next to it. Go figure...
 
But which of the pc NLE software (Canopus Broadcast or
Avid Express Pro HD ) supports the DVCproHD format best? Probably fcp is the best but I don't want to jump to a mac since I want to stay compatible with all the other software I have and a MAC is more expensive than a pc (or am I wrong in that latest statement?). Moreover I am not clear which Mac system has enough processing power to support DVCproHD in a relaxed way.

baquajim said:
Andreas - Canopus Broadcast supports DVCPRO HD. You need the latest software version (which is the "Broadcast") to edit with the HVX 200

Avid Express Pro HD will edit it.

Final Cut Pro will edit it.

With Premiere, right now you would need to purchase the new version of DV Filmmaker when it comes out. It will convert the MXF files into Avi files.

I don't know if this involves decompressing or recompressing as my knowledge of what is actually going on is limited, but I assume you will at least need twice as much disk space since you are essentially duplicating all of your footage.
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when apple gets intel inside,
i will finally change plattforms.
FCP is IMHO the most versatile editing app out there, at least when it comes to bang for bucks...
mac is pricey, but a loaded dell or hp is too
and esperman:
as far as i know, the mac OS has been prepared for the intel change long ago, so i guess besides the usuall bugs of any new OS it should be ready to go...
 
Apple will run fine on intel, but software like FCP and DVD studio are not written for intel....they will have to run a sort of rosetta emulation at first. The G5 is a better design than the P4..we'll see what exact processor apple upgrades to.
 
Apple will run fine on intel, but software like FCP and DVD studio are not written for intel....they will have to run a sort of rosetta emulation at first.
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I don't think so. They just need to re-compile it for the Intel processors with the latest X-Code and do some minor patches. I am sure they will do this when the first Intel-based boxes are released.

So we will be able to use the full Intel power from the start. Btw. I don't understand people who buy a new Mac now. In 6 months they will get boxes which are at least twice or 3 times as fast for the same money :evil:
 
esperman said:
Apple will run fine on intel, but software like FCP and DVD studio are not written for intel....they will have to run a sort of rosetta emulation at first. The G5 is a better design than the P4..we'll see what exact processor apple upgrades to.
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yeah, that's why ibm is doing so well. also why apple is sticking with them. also why the heatsinks on g5's are the size of toasters. also why i bought a pentium d that destroys my offices dual 2. better design.

wait until macworld and buy a pentium laptop that will crush your workstations.
 
skyonic: Yes, but this is a complete NLE software. Canopus ProCoderStation suppose to work as a plug in that suports NLE with other platforms as well. Does this software do the same thing also or you are stick with it. For instance if I want to work with Premiere I have first to capture my footage with Edius Broadcast and then transcode it in a codec that premiere understands ? And before I lose my mind completely, does any one know the step by step prossedure for using my 3ghz 2gb ram Raid0 PC laptop instead of P2 and then edit in Adobe Premiere Pro 1.5
BTW it seems that from what I read: Edius Broadcast is the answer to the above question. But I just have to forget about Adobe. Am I right ?
 
mcshyd said:
yeah, that's why ibm is doing so well. also why apple is sticking with them. also why the heatsinks on g5's are the size of toasters. also why i bought a pentium d that destroys my offices dual 2. better design.

wait until macworld and buy a pentium laptop that will crush your workstations.
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hehehehehe...

i really couldn´t care less about what plattform i´m on, i´ll take what`s easy to use, affordable and gets the job done...
 
But I just have to forget about Adobe. Am I right ?
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No, all indications show that Adobe Premiere 2.0 will support the HVX (DVCPROHD) as it did with the DVX, so don't rush into conclusions.


And something else, don' t expect definite answers from Barry, Jarred etc. because there are alot of solutions out there and I guess they don't want to advertise + it's too tiresome to try and pursuade all the time. Apply some patience and it will all come clear to each one of us, as to what is best for our budget\needs etc. Remember the camera isn't even out yet!


Cheers.
 
For the money you have to part with, FCP is the best choice for me. Works with anything from DV to uncompressed. You simply add hardware for the real high end work. But it'll do DVCPRO like a charm (has done for years now). And FCP has improved a LOT over the last two editions. But while your at it, get the studio package. You get possibilities you'd never dreamt of. Soundtrack 2 is awesome for sound editing. And DVD studio pro is one of the very best I worked with.
I read here somewhere that macs are expensive. Well, yes and no. You pay for things other than the machine aswell. The os, the free apps, etc. And their marketshare is quite small. But in general they are very well ingeneerd computers and since they make apps and hardware themselves things just, uhm... work!
Anyhow, enough propaganda for the time being... :)
 
Cees Mutsaers said:
But which of the pc NLE software (Canopus Broadcast or
Avid Express Pro HD ) supports the DVCproHD format best? Probably fcp is the best but I don't want to jump to a mac since I want to stay compatible with all the other software I have and a MAC is more expensive than a pc (or am I wrong in that latest statement?). Moreover I am not clear which Mac system has enough processing power to support DVCproHD in a relaxed way.
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Based on what you say, I would stay with PC and use Avid Express Pro HD. But this is just my opinion. I would use it because I haven't heard a lot of bad things about it. It has worked with DVC Pro for some time now, it has a pretty decent built in color corrector and it is based on a very popular platform: Avid.
 
What about the Avid liquid series???? Is it DVCpro compatible? What is the difference with Avid Express Pro HD?

baquajim said:
Based on what you say, I would stay with PC and use Avid Express Pro HD. But this is just my opinion. I would use it because I haven't heard a lot of bad things about it. It has worked with DVC Pro for some time now, it has a pretty decent built in color corrector and it is based on a very popular platform: Avid.
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Andreas said:
And before I lose my mind completely, does any one know the step by step prossedure for using my 3ghz 2gb ram Raid0 PC laptop instead of P2 and then edit in Adobe Premiere Pro 1.5
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Yes. Step 1: lose your mind. That'll probably be easier and more efficient than trying to edit in Premiere Pro 1.5.

Seriously, after facing the workaround issue with Vegas, I would say to completely cross off your list any NLE that doesn't provide native support. If Vegas announces native support, then great, it becomes an option again. If Premiere Pro 2.0 announces native support, it becomes an option again.

But without native support, they are not worth even considering.

BTW it seems that from what I read: Edius Broadcast is the answer to the above question. But I just have to forget about Adobe. Am I right ?
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Correct. Canopus Edius Broadcast would completely replace Adobe Premiere Pro 1.5 in that scenario.
 
Well done Barry :) That IS a straight forward answer. Hearing it from you it is also valid and not a speculation. And please put this information to the HVX FAQ since it is primary concern to anyone willing to buy this camera.
 
mcshyd said:
yeah, that's why ibm is doing so well. also why apple is sticking with them. also why the heatsinks on g5's are the size of toasters. also why i bought a pentium d that destroys my offices dual 2. better design.

wait until macworld and buy a pentium laptop that will crush your workstations.
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Read the post. I said G5 is better than P4. And so is AMD. Why do you think the next generation of intel is based from P3?

Think any mac will have a P4? No way.

IBM is doing fine with powerpc..look at XBOX and playstation. They are not concerned with heat and low wattage...and that is why apple will switch. Apple makes more $$ with laptops. Intel is smart move...for now.

But don't look for a centrino in a powermac.
 
Cees Mutsaers said:
What about the Avid liquid series???? Is it DVCpro compatible? What is the difference with Avid Express Pro HD?
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You'll have the SD aspect of the camera whipped but not the HD aspect. Liquid will ingest DVCPro50 and work with it directly in MXF but not DVCProHD.

Edius is it for now until maybe NAB '06.
 
Liquid also has very little support, actually nothing worth while, in terms of working with 24p.

As of now, the only two solutions that are really worth considering are XPress Pro HD and Edius Broadcast. FWIW, I'm still holding out until my HVX is ready to ship to me (perhaps Vegas will come through, but I doubt it). But if I had to buy today, I would go with Avid... There's a lot more industry support for Avid tools and they are working to improve their MXF support. After trying the Edius Pro demo and spending some time with XPress Pro at a local dealer, I find that I much prefer the Avid interface and workflow -- much more intuitive to me. Besides, Edius is lacking a lot of features that I took for granted with Vegas. If you're doing more than simple cuts and need extensive masking options and more third party tool options, Avid is the way to go. But Edius still looks like a winner to me and it will suit many people just fine. I think Edius also seems a bit more responsive and efficeint than Xpress Pro, but the downloadable demo didn't let me work with any HD footage for comparison. That and my workstation here I used for testing Edius is a lot more powerful than the in-store box I demoed Avid on. So still to early to make that call I think...
 
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