NEX-VG900 and VG30

I'll wait and see how the new LAE3 performs. Too many problems with the first 2 versions.
 
you can easily get an e-mount to "whatever mount ever" adaptor and play along with it. Older nikons and FD mount lenses that cover full frame would be lovely on this.
 
Just read this on DLSRnewsshooter:

Here is the really interesting thing about this camera: when APS-C glass is used, it will automatically crop down the image to match the APS-C glass while retaining full resolution. This means that unlike most full frame cameras you can use both APS-C and full frame lenses. So if you put, say, a Sony Zeiss 16-35mm full frame lens on this camera, you will be getting 16-35mm. If you put a APS-C lens, say a 24mm, it acts more like a 35mm lens. This is a terrific option and gives you great flexibility by allowing you to achieve super shallow depth of field when using full frame lenses. The VG-900 will also include the new Sony LA-EA3 adapter so that you can use A-mount (and legacy Minolta glass) with the ability to autofocus. The E-mount also has a shallow flange distance which allows many other lenses to be used with an adapter. Metabones offers a great adaptor to allow the use of Canon EF lenses with full electronic control on current NEX cameras - hopefully this can be made to work on the VG-900.
Now THAT is interesting!
 
dustylense said:
....The E-mount also has a shallow flange distance which allows many other lenses to be used with an adapter. Metabones offers a great adaptor to allow the use of Canon EF lenses with full electronic control on current NEX cameras - hopefully this can be made to work on the VG-900. Now THAT is interesting![/COLOR]
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Thanks for providing this info. on the Metabones adapter for Canon EF lenses. I need this to work because I'm in deep on some EF lenses.
 
I just read something interesting at personal-view. If you use the new digital zoom feature at 2x, it's the same size as ultra16 frame! That would mean any 16mm c-mount lens would work . If the sony 1.5 crop aps at digital zoom2x would equate to a 3x focal length,that would mean a angenieux 12-120 f2.2 would be a 36-360mm zoom with constant f2.2 . Any thoughts on sony's new digital zoom feature and how it could be put to interesting uses ? Am I off base ?

I'm talking about the vg30 ...by the way .
 
kurth said:
I just read something interesting at personal-view. If you use the new digital zoom feature at 2x, it's the same size as ultra16 frame! That would mean any 16mm c-mount lens would work . If the sony 1.5 crop aps at digital zoom2x would equate to a 3x focal length,that would mean a angenieux 12-120 f2.2 would be a 36-360mm zoom with constant f2.2 . Any thoughts on sony's new digital zoom feature and how it could be put to interesting uses ? Am I off base ?

I'm talking about the vg30 ...by the way .
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nice thought. it's something that needs to be experimented with but from tests it seems that using any sensor crop on the vg900 causes some nasty moire and aliasing. hopefully it wont be as bad on the vg30, but i imagine it will be.
 
Someone earlier in this thread said "When you use an emount there's a crop mode." That would be emount lenses on the XEV-VG900. The specs for the VG900 say "E-Mount Lens Compatibility". I am wondering how this crop mode is accomplished. That is, what does the sensor do when emount lenses are connected? The emount is essentially a "crop lens" like APS-C in the Canon world. You won't be able to cover the entire sensor and hence, no longer be doing full frame, therefore loosing out on wide angle or short DOF (depending on lens and desired outcome). I am primarily looking at video / moving images. I don't have much interest in Amount lenses because they didn't really accompany the FS100 and FS700 path to market in my eyes. Emount glass seems a bridge from FS700 down to the NEX6 and NEX7 but I am interested in all the steps in between. It appears emount is a part of all the steps in between, including the NEX-EA50. It's hard to have lenses in all mounts but I haven't been able to make the case for Amount seeing wide use as a purchase for, say, a local rental house. Doesn't look like anyone is attempting emount on SLT-a99. With the distance from the back of the lens to the sensor it would probably be totally out of registration, that is, you wouldn't even have the right time zone to resolve an image... Just thinking out loud with y'all.
 
The rokinon are beautiful for the price...ah, the others are rentalhouse onlys . Joe , can you set 2x digital zoom in the menu for use with any manual lens ? I realize you've got the vg900 but I assume it would be the same for the vg30.
 
The zoom button works with all of the MF FF lenses I have tried with my VG900. BTW there is a button in front of the zoom rocker that magnifies the center of the image by 4x for critical focus that could be used during recording.

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Thanks joe1946. Very informative. With these lenses being made by someone other than Sony there is probably no chip that alerts the camera how to adjust the sensor. This is a moot point though. The Rokinon, for example, do in fact say full frame coverage:

"The Rokinon 24mm cine lens is compatible with full-frame sensors. APS-C sensors with a crop factor of 1.5 - 1.6 will exhibit a 35mm equivalent angle-of-view equal to approximately 38mm."

I am looking for a distinction but am not able to articulate it. I am looking for dividing lines on what works and what does not. It's not that emount lenses are "crop" lenses, it is more a differentiation between mirrorless or not. The NEX-VG900 is the first affordable full frame mirrorless camera. By "affordable" I mean it isn't by Leica AND doing video is important for the camera. It is not that SLT lenses are full frame or crop, it is that the work on the deep lens back to sensor depth in a camera with a mirror.

Just came across this full frame sony mirrorless news bit:
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-...lmost-exactly-one-year-24-or-30-32-megapixel/

Happy Holidays everyone!
 
I am fed up with shooting video with photocameras so I am going to buy a VG900 with Metabones Nikon to Sony E adapter. Tell me I'm making a dumb decision before I pull my credit card. I don't need 4k, I shoot erotica indoors, need good low light performance and will use the VG900 crop mode to get larger dept of field (my customers like it when full subject is in focus). I have been shooting with GH1/2s for years and still happy with the quality and also have a Black Magic pocket cinema camera and will also get a GH4 for shooting arty things but for professional production where time and money are important, to me it's not not workable anymore, want to work with normal small videocams again.

Are you guys still using the VG900 and happy with it?
 
RieniO said:
I am fed up with shooting video with photocameras so I am going to buy a VG900 with Metabones Nikon to Sony E adapter. Tell me I'm making a dumb decision before I pull my credit card. I don't need 4k, I shoot erotica indoors, need good low light performance and will use the VG900 crop mode to get larger dept of field (my customers like it when full subject is in focus). I have been shooting with GH1/2s for years and still happy with the quality and also have a Black Magic pocket cinema camera and will also get a GH4 for shooting arty things but for professional production where time and money are important, to me it's not not workable anymore, want to work with normal small videocams again.

Are you guys still using the VG900 and happy with it?
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What part are you fed up with? No XLR? Form factor? No Servo AF (on most)?
 
When shooting with photo cams you need to have some kind of rig which makes everything heavy and clumsy. Focusing is always difficult, both manual and push focus. Limited battery times. I shoot indoor most of the time and need large dept of field so I use higher ISOs on the GH2 and there is noise, I think the VG900 performs better in higher gains. I went through the reviews of the GH3 and the GH4 and they seem to have the same noise problem.

I've shot beautiful things with the GH1/2 but it was never easy and I love the image of the VG900.

XLR isn't an issue I always work with stand alone audio recorders and sync in post. I don't like to have cables attached to my cam.
 
RieniO said:
When shooting with photo cams you need to have some kind of rig which makes everything heavy and clumsy. Focusing is always difficult, both manual and push focus. Limited battery times. I shoot indoor most of the time and need large dept of field so I use higher ISOs on the GH2 and there is noise, I think the VG900 performs better in higher gains. I went through the reviews of the GH3 and the GH4 and they seem to have the same noise problem.

I've shot beautiful things with the GH1/2 but it was never easy and I love the image of the VG900.

XLR isn't an issue I always work with stand alone audio recorders and sync in post. I don't like to have cables attached to my cam.
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In terms of having clean deep depth of field the A7S is the big winner there. You can easily go to 40,000 ISO with very little noise and therefore use a deeper depth of field. In terms of battery run times you can use external, hot swappable battery systems like the Atomos Power Station.

In terms of ergonomics, it isn't the best as the grip is a bit small (so you better have small hands). But the light weight body + lenses offsets the poor ergonomics in my opinion making it easier to handhold.

If you are coming from a GH2 / GH3 / GH4 then you totally are missing out on the superior zero noise the A7S produces at super high ISO!
 
ectobuilder said:
In terms of having clean deep depth of field the A7S is the big winner there. You can easily go to 40,000 ISO with very little noise and therefore use a deeper depth of field. In terms of battery run times you can use external, hot swappable battery systems like the Atomos Power Station.

In terms of ergonomics, it isn't the best as the grip is a bit small (so you better have small hands). But the light weight body + lenses offsets the poor ergonomics in my opinion making it easier to handhold.

If you are coming from a GH2 / GH3 / GH4 then you totally are missing out on the superior zero noise the A7S produces at super high ISO!
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The still camera form factor is not very friendly for stable hand held motion work without significant external rigging and accessories of one kind or another, especially for longer shots where one has to hold steady for significant amounts of time. There is no way to effectively balance the camera in the hand to minimize muscle fatigue. A handy cam like the VG is far superior in this respect.
Most still lenses likewise are not easy to manually focus while moving and following action and the form factor also makes this difficult to do without camera shake. Auto focus has improved a lot, but is still a bit of a crap shoot, especially under low exposure high ISO conditions.
Being forced into excessively high ISO speeds to get adequate depth of field requires multi-stop ND filters or vari-ND's and there are inevitable compromises to image quality in DR, color rendition, etc. In this respect the FF35 format is the worst choice. S35 is better choice. The newer 1" /S16 sized formats are even better for shooting action where high depth of field is preferred.
 
Razz16mm said:
The still camera form factor is not very friendly for stable hand held motion work without significant external rigging and accessories of one kind or another, especially for longer shots where one has to hold steady for significant amounts of time. There is no way to effectively balance the camera in the hand to minimize muscle fatigue. A handy cam like the VG is far superior in this respect.
Most still lenses likewise are not easy to manually focus while moving and following action and the form factor also makes this difficult to do without camera shake. Auto focus has improved a lot, but is still a bit of a crap shoot, especially under low exposure high ISO conditions.
Being forced into excessively high ISO speeds to get adequate depth of field requires multi-stop ND filters or vari-ND's and there are inevitable compromises to image quality in DR, color rendition, etc. In this respect the FF35 format is the worst choice. S35 is better choice. The newer 1" /S16 sized formats are even better for shooting action where high depth of field is preferred.
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But the A7 series has S35 built-in as well. In terms of ergonomics perhaps the C100 or C300 series may work for you better? Zacuto has an awesome rig to help keep them well balanced on your shoulder for long takes.
 
Razz16mm said:
The still camera form factor is not very friendly for stable hand held motion work without significant external rigging and accessories of one kind or another, especially for longer shots where one has to hold steady for significant amounts of time. There is no way to effectively balance the camera in the hand to minimize muscle fatigue. A handy cam like the VG is far superior in this respect.
Most still lenses likewise are not easy to manually focus while moving and following action and the form factor also makes this difficult to do without camera shake. Auto focus has improved a lot, but is still a bit of a crap shoot, especially under low exposure high ISO conditions.
Being forced into excessively high ISO speeds to get adequate depth of field requires multi-stop ND filters or vari-ND's and there are inevitable compromises to image quality in DR, color rendition, etc. In this respect the FF35 format is the worst choice. S35 is better choice. The newer 1" /S16 sized formats are even better for shooting action where high depth of field is preferred.
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Yes for larger DOF, smaller sensors are better. I also bought the Black Magic Cinema Pocket and will start testing this week but I'm afraid it needs some kind of rig as well.

I first almost purchased the Sony VG30 which has a S35 sensor, then I learned that the VG900 (which has what you call a FF35 sensor, right?) has a crop mode so you can go back to S35 and this works pretty well.

I may end up using the Black Magic with all my awesome Panasonic MFT glass and the VG900 with Sony and Nikon F mount glass using an adapter. Not as A and B cams but just different cams in different shoots. The Black Magic is interesting for it's suberb image quality and RAW recording, the VG900 is just easier to work with and post production will be faster due to the nice color schemes. It's great for shooting in a hotel, then quickly edit a 10 minute clip and upload to my sites.
 
ectobuilder said:
In terms of having clean deep depth of field the A7S is the big winner there. You can easily go to 40,000 ISO with very little noise and therefore use a deeper depth of field. In terms of battery run times you can use external, hot swappable battery systems like the Atomos Power Station.

In terms of ergonomics, it isn't the best as the grip is a bit small (so you better have small hands). But the light weight body + lenses offsets the poor ergonomics in my opinion making it easier to handhold.

If you are coming from a GH2 / GH3 / GH4 then you totally are missing out on the superior zero noise the A7S produces at super high ISO!
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Thank you! I was looking at the A7s to use as a stills camera so that I could swap glass between that and the VG900 but then I learned that Sony zoom lenses aren't the best (I don't use primes for model photography because then you keep walking forward and back all day and the Nikkor 24-70mm zoomlens is the best zoomlens there is and I would prefer to use it on a Nikon body) but I didn't know about the A7s high ISO and video capabilities, I will lookup some low light tests on Video/Youtube tonight. If you could give me some good links that would be great.
 
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