NEX FS 100 footage thread and links

lexicon said:
IMHO better than AF100 but not quite the sharpness and absence of noise that you see on the F3 (both watched on vimeo). It seems that having the same sensor matters, but it is not enough. Everything else equal, the nature of the electronic internal processing on the camera also plays an important role in the final image.
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I wonder how good it would look if you bypassed that 'electronic internal processing'
on the camera and used the HDMI out to an external recorder.....would it then
look a lot closer to the F3 footage? Who knows, we shall see before too long
I bet. I was pretty impressed with the shots off the above vimeo link, as he
was using the slow included zoom lens with it, and it looked pretty freaking good
to my eye for a 'kit' lens that is rated so slow. Not bad at all.
 
lexicon said:
IMHO better than AF100 but not quite the sharpness and absence of noise that you see on the F3 (both watched on vimeo). It seems that having the same sensor matters, but it is not enough. Everything else equal, the nature of the electronic internal processing on the camera also plays an important role in the final image.
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I agree, But to honest, it's really to early to tell. Though from what I have seen it looks fantastic. I always loved the Panisonic look, but for some reason im turned off by the af1oo, I do admit that now people are dialing it in, there's some beautiful footage out there. It just seems really inconsistant from user to user, unlike, say the hvx, as where it has it's own unique characteristics that always looked pretty good, and is quite easy to identify.

But this camera has me on the edge of my seat. Im anxious to see more footage from a real production line model. I want to hold it and see if the buttons are as bad as the reviewers felt they were, Or should I say "reviewer". Either way it's raising the bar, and creating a competative market for large sensor camcorders, which makes us all winners as Charlie sheen would say.
 
Hi,

yeah dont touch the sensor...I thought the same...this camera loooks so sweet...and has everything that we would expect from sony...a clean signal...nice sensor...good ergonomics...I like the dedicated buttong for variable speeds...and of course it doesnt have a couple of features such as hdsdi, ndfilters and true 10bit output which is also very typical of sony...well cant wait to get my hands on this puppy
 
http://www.studiodaily.com/main/technology/newgear/13027.html


This link suggests 10 bit hdmi. Cannot vouch for its accuracy but here ya go. If its 10 bit - I may be in. Puts it closer to the F3 if true

Some across the Interwebs have wondered why there's no SDI out in this camera. If you've got 10-bit HDMI out with SMPTE and audio timecode, you may not really need SDI, as others have suggested, saving you even more money.
 
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henryolonga said:
http://www.studiodaily.com/main/technology/newgear/13027.html


This link suggests 10 bit hdmi. Cannot vouch for its accuracy but here ya go. If its 10 bit - I may be in. Puts it closer to the F3 if true

Some across the Interwebs have wondered why there's no SDI out in this camera. If you've got 10-bit HDMI out with SMPTE and audio timecode, you may not really need SDI, as others have suggested, saving you even more money.
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For what it's worth, yesterday I attended a Sony NAB preview at VTP in Los Angeles. Hugo Gaggioni, Chief Technology Officer for Sony Electronics was the speaker, and he mentioned in passing that the FS100's HDMI output was 10 bit. Hugo impressed me with being on top of a vast array of products and technology, so I would give his statement some credibility.

He also showed us some screen captures and a zone plate from Sony's new 4K camera. This may very well be the best digital motion picture camera made to date.
 
Haha, and so the question contimues. :) Maybe Sony doesn't want to answer yet to keep the viral aspect of this question going. :)
 
Ralph B said:
For what it's worth, yesterday I attended a Sony NAB preview at VTP in Los Angeles. Hugo Gaggioni, Chief Technology Officer for Sony Electronics was the speaker, and he mentioned in passing that the FS100's HDMI output was 10 bit. Hugo impressed me with being on top of a vast array of products and technology, so I would give his statement some credibility.

He also showed us some screen captures and a zone plate from Sony's new 4K camera. This may very well be the best digital motion picture camera made to date.
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Yes, Hugo Gaggioni is a good source, and he is great explaining the science behind cameras, like a classic good professor of engineer.

10 bit would be great, but I don't think it will change the 'character' of the image and put it on a different level. Based on just the few FS 100 sample videos that I have seem (on vimeo), I still perceive a clear difference between the image that comes out from the F3 and the one from the FS 100. It seems that same sensor, same output (422 10-bit) is not all: internal processing and components matter. But we have to see more footage and tests to come to any definite conclusion.
 
Rick Burnett said:
Haha, and so the question contimues. :) Maybe Sony doesn't want to answer yet to keep the viral aspect of this question going. :)
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Well, NAB is just days away, and the drop date of the camera is not that far off, so I doubt if Sony is engaging in inter-webs shenanigans, like other companies have been known to do, in regards to the HDMI output sample size. We will know soon enough.
 
brunerww said:
A couple of more demo videos/lens tests - from a YouTube user named yehead114, not from Sony, but they appear to be legit.

I suggest you watch in 1080p, if you can:

Kanon (irony not intended, I'm sure)

NEX-FS100 lenses
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The part that stands out to me is the ballerina.
It looks the best and it is what I likei n HD [sharp, clean, resolution].
To me it shows what this camera is really capable of with the right lens.
$4000 lens in this case...

Now I wonder if that was shot to SD card in AVCHD or if they used an external recorder.
It really looks nice.
 
So there is another thread where one of our users shot with the FS100, a 25p model, and the aliasing is horrible. Yet, I haven't seen this aliasing in other clips even with similar lines in them. If ANYONE gets a chance to play with one, maybe they can find out why the quality of results is so different?!? EVERYTHING looked awesome on the images EXCEPT the aliasing. And it was bad actually. And it makes no sense to what Nigel Cooper said about the camera. You can download the original footage.
 
Bad aliasing in one camera test just isn't conclusive enough for me. Several other videos showed no such problems. They're all online, check them out. Like you said, Nigel nitpicked the camera to death, yet praised the image. I would think he would have noticed the aliasing. In fact, it was the exact opposite - he said it had a better image (in his opinion) than the AF100.

We don't know enough from the other test to make a final conclusion. The tester himself said he wasn't certain of the camera's settings, as he had no manual.

Take a breather guys, relax. We'll all know soon enough.
 
I agree, given pre-production, I find it VERY hard to believe that would be the aliasing results of a shipping product for $6k (or whatever it is). I just mention it in hopes that Sony does pay attention like Panasonic to what people might have concerns with. That way, it can be looked at before it gets shipped :)
 
Yah - I am perplexed at the aliasing in that shoot and the fact few others have mentioned or noticed it on other shots......will wait and see. If it crops up on other shoots then it is a concern.
 
There is no aliasing issue. I had the cam for a full day and shot every bad situation a no budget shooter would be in.

Whatever the guy posted is not what I got out of the fs100. Dunno if there was something up with his prerelease model but that footage is not representative.
 
Thanks Kholi. Have you used the F3 before? If so - what would you say the difference in the 'feel' of the imagery is like between the two cams? Do they look similiar in most departments? At this point I sense they look a little different but we have been looking at edited and recompressed files so I may be off base.

Thanks again for your input and look forward to some striking footage when it is released
 
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