New Technicolor Profile Is Amazing

bwwd said:
I cant bring back contrast without clipping bright areas,only way to preserve whole dynamic range is to crush the dark range until darkest colour would be black not gray.With neutral and contrast -4 i can bring back contrast without clipping bright areas,i just move gamma curve and bend it down then i see how details on faces starts to appear but this trick doesnt work with cinestyle,whole picture is still washed out and non detailed and its just darker.
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I didn't have any trouble at all with "bringing it back", so to speak......
 
Something is going on with 550D.

Dropped frames in one of my test vids.

Also, stills looks like this:

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edit: It seems to bring out the FPN much worse aswell (yes, the Canons have FPN, well at least 550D does). Ie the fixed pattern that can appear in scenes with a lot of shadow detail, is showing much clearer with cinestyle. (Although surely not related to the above issue, that shadows gets FPN seems pretty logical, and yes all units have it (brand new this one), owned a bunch of 550D's by now, it's not like the GH1 but it's surely there). So, might be somewhat of a "dealbreaker", cus if we get this pattern noise with 550D then it's oxymoronic to use cinestyle in the first place... cannot get rid of fixed noise once it's there.

I don't currently have a 7D or 5D to test this on so, but my first issue is apparently some kind of bug... Although, the noise in the shadows is a bit of a letdown. But then this wasn't designed to use with 550D. Maybe better results with ML installed?
 
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Your uploaded image is broken. Anyway try to re-do the test with ML with "standard" ISO and let us see a comparison, if any difference is visible
 
-Sandro- said:
Your uploaded image is broken.
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Broken from camera. Figured it out, this happens with cinestyle if setting your camera to NTSC on PAL body (strange, yup... but stills works fine now in PAL/PAL). Took a few new vids around the apartment and no broken frames. Anyone else bother to try this (in-camera region switch).

FPN is very much apparent in cinestyle :( Dam'... please do compare this if you own both 550D+any of the cameras that this was designed for. Interested to know if the extra FPN only applies to 550D or if cinestyle brings this out of the other cameras aswell.

Shame! Not something that can be avoided with iso/exposure either. An unfortunate paradox, we want shadow detail, but not shadows with fixed noise :) I'm just assuming this isn't the case on 5D. Although would be interesting to know if the rest aps-c is bringing out the same shadow noise. Honestly not sure if i dare to try magic lantern again, had some wicked issues with it last time.
 
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This is whole DR of cinestyle and neutral from pure black to pure white :
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Theres a bit better whites roloff in cinestyle but at the price of details cause eveything is more even,some small details dont pop up like .
There are different ways to correct cinestyle and bring back pure blacks but it depends on situation and if theres something blownout in the frame.
 
I've always had the camera set in NTSC with my PAL body (is there any difference in software? I don't think so).
Are you saying this happens in general or with cinestyle while shooting videos?

About the FPN problem, can you upload a picture to show it?
 
bwwd said:
This is whole DR of cinestyle and neutral from pure black to pure white :
cinneutral.jpg


Theres a bit better whites roloff in cinestyle but at the price of details cause eveything is more even,some small details dont pop up like .
There are different ways to correct cinestyle and bring back pure blacks but it depends on situation and if theres something blownout in the frame.
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the canon DSLRs are already soft and not real 1080p and now we also lose sharpness? come on! :)
 
-Sandro- said:
About the FPN problem, can you upload a picture to show it?
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Pulled green so it's easier to see in pic. Now again you can get this at any ISO with 550D normally, but something happens with cinestyle... it really brings it out the pattern. (Not anywhere close to GH1 leauge, but still). Again not running ML on my camera but i kinda doubt that has any major impact. Has nothing to do with ISO, just something that's always been there, and now it got more visible. Not the end of the world, just sharing my findings.

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I'm loving it for high-contrast scenes, but have reservations for flatter scenes; wouldn't you want to lay down to H264 as much info from 0 to 255 as possible? I mean, isn't that the way to get the most info on the 'neg?' With the cinestyle indoors for low contrast, I'm ending up with little info at the top or bottom. Yes, I know I can pull it back later, but again, aren't you streaching things then? Not a statement, more a question. We'll be doing more tests in the coming days.

One huge plus that I haven't seen as many people talking about is how much brighter this makes this image for nighttime shooting. Toggling back and forth between my old 'flat' settings and the technicolor, it's like opening up a stop on the bottom end.
 
WOW! I love this. I only have one question. I shot for like 1 minute 20 sec...and the file turned out to be almost 500mb. Pretty huge if you ask me. Is this the downside to this preset?
 
JoeJITSU said:
WOW! I love this. I only have one question. I shot for like 1 minute 20 sec...and the file turned out to be almost 500mb. Pretty huge if you ask me. Is this the downside to this preset?
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I'd call that an upside. On an H.264 codec, dark areas or areas of little motion would have a lower bitrate. A higher bitrate means more information is successfully being captured. I fail to see how that's a bad thing.
 
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