FS7: New Sony PXW-FX9 with venice features and 6k full frame

powervideo said:
I'm really liking the FX9 Chris. The color is a definite step-up from the F5 and the variable ND and dual ISO is proving very helpful.
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Me thinking the same here Pierre and totally agree with your comments. For my market RAW is of no interest Been more than happy with the FS7 after beating its color into shape and so the FX9 looks to be a reasonable step up. Looking forward to trying native glass with the AF on interviews as a fair bit of my doco work is interview based. Will try and grab a production version off Scotty at Lemac when they start delivering them. My biggest issue is can I justify the camera business wise. I can't see me getting any more $$$s from my clients. From an ops point of view I can justify it all day long. Convincing her indoors who runs her own accounting business is another story! ... I'm one of her clients and she's tough to convince.

Chris Young
 
JPNola said:
Where can the comments from Achtel be found?
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Anywhere else I'm not sure JP. I was referring to Achtel's comments which are referred to in the video starting with the color accuracy segment that starts at around 37.07. Then more specifically at 40.00 and 41.04.

Chris Young
 
It's a nice camera FX9 but I can't justify moving from my FS7 as I wont be able to charge more. But a couple of years from now I'll might pick one up or the soon to be released FX6.
 
J.Brown said:
It's a nice camera FX9 but I can't justify moving from my FS7 as I wont be able to charge more. But a couple of years from now I'll might pick one up or the soon to be released FX6.
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I see this comment all the time, regarding this class/price range of camera, and I don’t get it. You’re not moving up the chain from a 5D to an F55. We’re talking about moving from what, one ~$10K camera to another ~$11K camera? Do you feel you should get a rate bump just because it’s a new camera or because it’s FF instead of s35? Because the price difference is negligible, IMO. And what premium do you honestly think a client should pay over a 7? I’m not trying to be a jerk. I am curious though, because I see this as basically a one-for-one swap from an existing model to the newer version, not jumping whole classes and price ranges.
 
mantas said:
hey, I did a smalI test in Ore Mountains(Germany) with the FX9:

hard contrasts, not much light, most of the time one light source, window or a light bulb.
ISO up to 16000. shot on a Canon lens, so no af.

and a gyro stabilisation test:
https://vimeo.com/382197335/6f85fc5d54
just needs a higher shutter than usual.
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Mantas- The stabilization looks very impressive even with the slight crop it adds. Curious how long it took to process those clips?
 
mantas said:
hey, I did a smalI test in Ore Mountains(Germany) with the FX9:

hard contrasts, not much light, most of the time one light source, window or a light bulb.
ISO up to 16000. shot on a Canon lens, so no af.

and a gyro stabilisation test:
https://vimeo.com/382197335/6f85fc5d54
just needs a higher shutter than usual.
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It’s a bit confusing when you phrase it this way. What you actually did was shoot it at 4000 base ISO and push it up 2 stops in post. If you say that you shot in EI and then say you shot at 16000 ISO it’s confusing because in EI you can either shoot 800 or 4000. You’re rating it at 16000 which is different than burning it in.

I really like this video. Being pushed so far, the colors still look natural and the detail is still strong. Nice work
 
cyvideo said:
....but comments coming from Pawel Achtel like that the FX9 is producing some of the best colors he has ever tested was quite surprising.


https://24x7.com.au/
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I think they take pains in the video to distinguish that the measurements he's taken reflect the FX9 sensor's ability to see certain colors, and do not necessarily reflect the camera's output, color science, image processing etc.
 
JPNola said:
Where can the comments from Achtel be found?
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The results from Achtel's tests start at 37 minutes in the ACS video. A description can be found here: https://www.newsshooter.com/2020/01/02/acs-technical-committee-evaluation-of-the-sony-fx9/

It appears that the FX9 has the best REC2020 output accuracy of any camera that has been tested by Achtel. Most significantly, the FS7 really struggled with saturated reds which was probably what caused people to think it produced bad skin tones. The FX9 doesn't have this problem at all.
 
mantas said:
hey, I did a smalI test in Ore Mountains(Germany) with the FX9:

hard contrasts, not much light, most of the time one light source, window or a light bulb.
ISO up to 16000. shot on a Canon lens, so no af.

and a gyro stabilisation test:
https://vimeo.com/382197335/6f85fc5d54
just needs a higher shutter than usual.
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wow lots of nice stuff in here. LOVE the way :21 looks. great tones and highlights look great in the window.
Great job.
 
cpreston said:
The results from Achtel's tests start at 37 minutes in the ACS video. A description can be found here: https://www.newsshooter.com/2020/01/02/acs-technical-committee-evaluation-of-the-sony-fx9/

It appears that the FX9 has the best REC2020 output accuracy of any camera that has been tested by Achtel.
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not quite:

From the article: "What you do need to take into consideration is this is purely what the cameras sensor is able to see, it isn’t a direct representation of what the cameras processing does after the light hits the sensor."

From the video (summarized by me): "a good indication of what the camera is doing on the front end... of what the sensor is gathering. What range of information is being fed into the system. Not what it's what it's capable of, but what it's starting with, and not what it's doing with the information during processing. In Pawel's mind the FX9 is the best camera available in its ability to see color...pure color.

I think that last bit is important, Pawel's test seems to be focusing on the extremes of the gamut range...it's not a measurement of every data point in the 2020 gamut, but how accurate it is at the highly saturated margins. This is highly valuable information, and important relative to the cameras ability to output accurate color, but it tells you very little about what a picture is going to look like, and how accurate it actually is at output.
 
mantas said:
hey, I did a smalI test in Ore Mountains(Germany) with the FX9:

hard contrasts, not much light, most of the time one light source, window or a light bulb.
ISO up to 16000. shot on a Canon lens, so no af.

and a gyro stabilisation test:
https://vimeo.com/382197335/6f85fc5d54
just needs a higher shutter than usual.
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This is some of the best looking work I've seen from this camera. The subject matter seems a good match for Sony's color science, and the stabilization scheme Sony is employing seems to be consistently producing some of the best looking results, (much better than what Canon's in-camera electronic stabilization is doing with a similar technology).
 
kbainter said:
Are you able to AF with any canon lenses? Or sigma EF lenses?
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tested only on Canon, it works, but it's bad, maybe only contrast af. i get my native e mount sigma lense tomorrow.

truelife said:
Mantas- The stabilization looks very impressive even with the slight crop it adds. Curious how long it took to process those clips?
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only few seconds! It's very fast, the only bad thing is, that you need to export it. crop was around 81%

Newsguy said:
It’s a bit confusing when you phrase it this way. What you actually did was shoot it at 4000 base ISO and push it up 2 stops in post. If you say that you shot in EI and then say you shot at 16000 ISO it’s confusing because in EI you can either shoot 800 or 4000. You’re rating it at 16000 which is different than burning it in.

I really like this video. Being pushed so far, the colors still look natural and the detail is still strong. Nice work
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yes you're right, I pushed it in the post. and thanks!

david dominguez said:
wow lots of nice stuff in here. LOVE the way :21 looks. great tones and highlights look great in the window.
Great job.
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thanks!

Barry G said:
This is some of the best looking work I've seen from this camera. The subject matter seems a good match for Sony's color science, and the stabilization scheme Sony is employing seems to be consistently producing some of the best looking results, (much better than what Canon's in-camera electronic stabilization is doing with a similar technology).
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thank you. yes I liked the stabilisation, you just need to switch of the lense image stabilisation and a higher shutter. i hope Adobe Premiere integrates this feature.

and yes the colors are awesome, seems like it got some of this "mojo" everyone is talking about :)
 
Barry G said:
not quite:

From the article: "What you do need to take into consideration is this is purely what the cameras sensor is able to see, it isn’t a direct representation of what the cameras processing does after the light hits the sensor."

From the video (summarized by me): "a good indication of what the camera is doing on the front end... of what the sensor is gathering. What range of information is being fed into the system. Not what it's what it's capable of, but what it's starting with, and not what it's doing with the information during processing. In Pawel's mind the FX9 is the best camera available in its ability to see color...pure color.

I think that last bit is important, Pawel's test seems to be focusing on the extremes of the gamut range...it's not a measurement of every data point in the 2020 gamut, but how accurate it is at the highly saturated margins. This is highly valuable information, and important relative to the cameras ability to output accurate color, but it tells you very little about what a picture is going to look like, and how accurate it actually is at output.
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True, and the test doesn't tell you what the camera will do with oversaturated colors outside of REC2020 or whether the camera is going to misinterpret odd mixed spectrum maroons as blue like I've seen with the FS7. But the the graph comparing the FS7 to FX9 and the results with the example footage seem to indicate that the whole "Sony has bad skintones" mantra is finished.
 
mantas said:
hey, I did a smalI test in Ore Mountains(Germany) with the FX9:

hard contrasts, not much light, most of the time one light source, window or a light bulb.
ISO up to 16000. shot on a Canon lens, so no af.

and a gyro stabilisation test:
https://vimeo.com/382197335/6f85fc5d54
just needs a higher shutter than usual.
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Agreed that this is the best work I've seen from the FX9 thus far. Sony should have hired you to do the promo videos, and there'd be a lot more buzz for this camera!

The stabilization video is incredible as well, that's a true game changer.
 
dipstik said:
Agreed that this is the best work I've seen from the FX9 thus far. Sony should have hired you to do the promo videos, and there'd be a lot more buzz for this camera!

The stabilization video is incredible as well, that's a true game changer.
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Which brings up, I wonder why neither Canon or Sony released a flashy video for the announcement of these latest cameras?
 
Airwolf said:
Which brings up, I wonder why neither Canon or Sony released a flashy video for the announcement of these latest cameras?
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Product advertising has changed over the years.

While a GREAT flashy video is impactful, they aren't really necessary anymore.

One can also argue that official videos may actually cause more damage as they are always heavily criticized.

Truth be told: Humans are sheep, naturally, so today it's in the best interest of companies to seek promotion from a variety of social media influencers. A neat, little social media experiment with a product reviewer, vlogger, entertainment personality - whomever - providing some nice thoughts about the camera is highly desirable.

It's a win-win situation; the YouTuber receives a bundle of views (including sponsorship if applicable) while the companies obtain free promotion and diverse creative content from all kinds of very talented individuals.
 
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