FS7: New Sony PXW-FX9 with venice features and 6k full frame

It will look like Std 5 pretty much , but if the camera still has the high & low exposure buttons you can check your true attitude with those. In any case with that LUT you can set exposure by eye and it will be safe.
 
Do I understand things correctly that on the viewfinder/included monitor you cannot have LUTs other than the gamma assist 709 thingie?
So when shooting Slog3 you have to have an external monitor to see, for example, the s709 LUT or a custom LUT?
 
As I understand it now, there was no ability for custom LUTs and just a few choices available ( not including 709 type A unfortunately for matching FS7s). The main useful LUT will be s709 which is the "venice-like look". However those are available in the viewfinder or to send to SDI out. But you can't put LUT on one SDI and no LUT on the other. Both or nothing. The LUT's are available up through 60P. High Speed will only have gamma assist 709 800%.
 
Ok, both my monitor/recorders have LUT support so no real need to send LUT to SDI or HDMI for me. But it’s nice if it’s possible to use the s709 in the viewfinder!

Will be interesting to see what will be possible to send to the iPhone/iPad app! (or if the app will get its own LUT support)
 
Since my FS5's monitor is so small and low res, I haven't relied on a camera's LCD for focus or exposure in years. I'm used to the SmallHD 702 bright and Inferno. I'm curious to see how much my eyes trust the FX9 LCD.
 
theraptor56 said:
Since my FS5's monitor is so small and low res, I haven't relied on a camera's LCD for focus or exposure in years. I'm used to the SmallHD 702 bright and Inferno. I'm curious to see how much my eyes trust the FX9 LCD.
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A 720p res viewfinder is what works. It’s sharp enough to see focus without the need for peaking if you want.
 
hahaha to trusting the AF.

I've never shot with an FS7 before, but I've noticed some people complaining about the loupe. Saying they wished the FX9 had used a different design. What's the issue with the FS7's loupe that people are afraid will bother them with the FX9?

Out of the gate I'm going to see if I can get away with using the camera as is.
 
It’s just too long. If you need to run a big lens and counterbalance by pushing the camera back on your shoulder, it makes it very uncomfortable. Plus it’s very cheap plastic. The Zacuto loupe is far shorter and better quality. With my current FS7 I won’t use the loupe unless I’m in direct sunlight and it’s a last resort.
 
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What's the issue with the FS7's loupe that people are afraid will bother them with the FX9?
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The design is a little fragile, but other than that, the FS7's viewfinder is great. Bright, easy to see, excellent zebras and peaking. Other than the flimsy design, I can't understand why someone would ***** about it. In fact, when I was producing my FS7 master class 5 years ago (hard to believe it is has been that long) Zacuto sent me one of their viewfinders to try and said I could keep it if I would recommend it in my video. I sent it back because I could not in good conscience recommend a viewfinder that was no better, and in some ways worse, than the one the camera came with.

Despite the higher resolution of the FX9's viewfinder, whatever your feelings are about the FS7's viewfinder you're probably going to feel exactly the same way about the FX9.
 
Firstly i'm left eye which somewhat changes the geometry.

I do not believe it to be possible (due to non changeable physics) to balance (yes properly balance) the camera on the shoulder with this EVF without adding significant rear mass. Simply the cable is too short (or rather the combination of cable and plug at the back) when mixed with the chimney pot.

If one is working full handheld days (have you?) this failure will lead to significant damage to the body and poor operating.

Ive seen loads of operators pulling odd positions to get their eye in the finder. I have a busy (70 hours a week?) BBC chum (with FS7 XDA back and Vlock and MK lenses) who has a large bump/growth on his neck I believe from twisted operating.

Adding most professional lenses makes it worse of course as the camera gains front mass.

Not using the stock finder drives one to a third party and as the camera has no power out to external batteries, creating a spiral that leads one to a horror rig.

The plastic feel just worsens the matter as does no option to upgrade to a more expensive/professional unit.

This makes it IMO not a 10k camera however fantastic the other features.

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Here I am with my properly balanced rig (it will sit on a pencil under the middle shoulder pad) you will see the camera is behind the ear and the VFcould never reach my eye. Im using my boxed off DP 502.

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The EVF assembly on FS7 is not ideal I agree on that but although a little bit uncomfortable it works. I mostly get tired in my arm but that happens with any camera if I hold on to it for long.
 
Exactly - spend more than 10k.. you should be buying a friend.. a tool that is on your side. A pleasure, something that makes one walk taller. Not something that turns the AF off just when you really need it, something that twists your neck.

Doug may say 10g is cheap, but Im not talking 1000FPS raw (I know that costs and weights) but something that has sorted the shoolboy design flaws.
 
Either you like the feel of the camera handheld or you don't. I happen to have no problem at all with my FS7 even on long days shooting handheld with a heavy Zeiss 15.-45 LWZ on the front and an XDCA and Anton Bauer XT batteries on the rear for balance. I also have a Zacuto Universal Baseplate with VCT mounting plus 15mm rods and one OConnor O-grip. I don't need a grip for my left hand as it is busy focusing, adjusting exposure, etc. What's the deal with people wanting a grip for their left hand?

I have no problems with comfort and no extension is necessary for the viewfinder. It feels fine to me and I have never visited a chiropractor. I don't expect anyone else to agree, I've just voicing my personal experience. However with that said, do I prefer the ergonomics of a true ENG camera like the Z450 or Z70? You're damn right I do.
 
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morgan_moore said:
Exactly - spend more than 10k.. you should be buying a friend.. a tool that is on your side. A pleasure, something that makes one walk taller. Not something that turns the AF off just when you really need it, something that twists your neck.
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You've just described a well balanced 2/3" ENG style camera a design that has evolved over forty years and is in video shooting terms a well proven very hard to beat well balance ergonomically comfortable setup. That' why nearly all brands of ENG style cameras look similar. That evolved design has stood the test of time. My XDCam disc camera absolutely kills any configuration I've seen on almost any S35 camera. Why do you think Sony have come out with that monstrosity of an ENG kit for the FS7. To try and copy the most practical design that has evolved for shoulder mount shooting. Same goes for the design of a good B4 lens from an operational point of view when having to work fast without having time to change glass. From a working point of view the whole ENG camera evolution came about due to the demands of shooters for something that worked and worked well.

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Doug Jensen said:
Either you like the feel of the camera handheld or you don't. I happen to have no problem at all with my FS7 even on long days shooting handheld with a heavy Zeiss 15.-45 LWZ on the front and an XDCA and Anton Bauer XT batteries on the rear for balance. I also have a Zacuto Universal Baseplate with VCT mounting plus 15mm rods and one OConnor O-grip. I don't need a grip for my left hand as it is busy focusing, adjusting exposure, etc. What's the deal with people wanting a grip for their left hand?

I have no problems with comfort and no extension is necessary for the viewfinder. It feels fine to me and I have never visited a chiropractor. I don't expect anyone else to agree, I've just voicing my personal experience. However with that said, do I prefer the ergonomics of a true ENG camera like the Z450 or Z70? You're damn right I do.
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So you add KG to the rear for balance. With a correctly adjustable EVF that would be a choice not a need.

I wished the camera worked with minimal additions - cause if you try running around with the army wearing a flack jacket (or doing many other things) you want to minimise mass - 48 yo fatso with camera vs young chaps who work out - no competition! !

Having two handles? One can put the camera down without it falling over and also push the mid arm into the handle while focussing keeping three points of contact for stability and a keeping a sensitive touch on the lens.

Also one can do shots off the ground or a wall when circumstances fit.

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Yes 2/3 cams - we all agree - Sony takes those years of experience and deletes them.


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Doug - you may be interested. Paul my colleague is new to video, he bought a z90 and a rode mic. His first go with our local chaps, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpRz4gHOIEc
Its pretty cool for this stuff.
 
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Using a Anton Bauer battery isn't just for balance, it also gives me a whole day of run time with no battery swaps.
My O-grip swings out of the way if I want to put the camera down on the ground.
why don't you stop complaining about the tools you have chosen, and buy the camera that really suits your needs and shooting style? I didn't buy a sports car and then complain I couldn't haul lumber in it or the seat was uncomfortable because my legs were too long. I didn't buy a PC and then complain it didn't work like a Mac. Get the camera that really fits your needs and shooting will be a much more enjoyable experience. Just my 2 cents.
 
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