New sony cam follows our beloved HVX

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Well here's my article;
http://www.tapelessrev.com/xdcamnab2007.html

Sony have had this in the pipeline for a while. The reason they haven't gone solid state up until now is because of the cost of the cards and other workflow issues. But with this camera as part of the XDCAM family those issues go away because there is a very good and reliable backup and archive solution there for it in the form of the U1 drive and XDCAM discs (which are having their prices slashed after NAB).

As for colour space issues, ask Discovery HD and National Geographic what they think of the 35Mbps codec. I think the fact that they accept it without restriction and have successfully torture tested it through the entire broadcast chain is enough to put any talk of such issues to bed. Further more if this camera uses the same 1/2" chips as the current XDCAM HD, then those channels might well accept a whole programme shot on one of these. Remember, the reason the HVX200 is only allowed limited footage in their productions is because of the 1/3" chips. The 1/2" should get around this considering their unquestioned acceptance of programmes shot on the F330 and F350 cameras.
 
RED is also a $17,500 bare minumum investment. I agree with Issac and Kholi, Lets see the images and footage and make a judgemnet from there. Lots of things look great on paper then when it boils down to a real world scenario it's completely different. Plus the idea of the HVX being a mini RED is quite appealing as well. Footage fisrt, questions later for me.
 
there are other outlets not just discovery and national geographic. if your content is good..u can DVX, PD150 etc footage can get on tv. Dont buy into this bullshit hype. lol
 
I own a Sony V1U. (Need for docs etc.) This looks like a great camera. One I could seriously consider instead of the HVX as a replacement for my V1U. What an exciting year. But according to reports in the NAB 2007 section of this web site it looks like RED might have a competing SECOND camera as well. If not fine. If so things are going to get very interesting.
 
Sony cams are usually ugly...they all look hunchbacked like quasimodo. Sorry, that's the most intelligent thing I could muster right now.
 
Forget all of that. I want to know what the deal is on RED's second camera. POCKET CAM?

In comparison to what? An HVX? Or the RED? Cause if it's a pocket Cam in comparison to RED ONE... that means HVX sized................

Uhm.. updates please.
 
According to "Studio Daily" Ted @ Red said it's being developed. So it's going to happen the question is when? I'm sure we will hear about it in the upcoming weeks.
 
It's VERY strange to me that the news has been broken on Studio Daily and there's not a peep of it over at Reduser.net.

He says there'll be more info coming soon in his report... guess I'll keep my eye on it.
 
Kholi said:
Seriously. Forget the card workflow. Let me see the image and I'll judge from that. Sony's flavor of image, as far as I know, has never satisified my tastes in the first place.

And at 8000? ... Come on.
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100 bucks sasys it has the "oil" paint effect..... jk jk jk.....


But they are talking about "archiving disater that is P2".... ... What? are you kidding? he said the top IT guy reccomended DLT or BRDiscs. And then the guy trashed BR discs.... and said storing Archived data on XDcam Discs is better.... So why dont we just store P2 on XDcam discs as data... which based on the inference is possible?

Im glad this machine came out. I hope for all its atributes its not murdered by SONY flavored HDV. it it truly rocks, i will buy one.
 
Guys, really, if you are happy with your HVX then great. You don't need to go bashing another product brought to the marketplace.

And with regards to the "sony flat image" crap, if you cannot get a decent looking picture out of a camera in the $3k+ range, you are a bad DP... period. The tools are there, learn to use them.
 
I'm happy with my V1U. I think the HVX is a great camera. In fact I think it's great that we have so many options. I'm glad Sony is finally listening. Now I need to make more money with my camera so that I can buy a RED.
 
BennisHahn said:
Guys, really, if you are happy with your HVX then great. You don't need to go bashing another product brought to the marketplace.

And with regards to the "sony flat image" crap, if you cannot get a decent looking picture out of a camera in the $3k+ range, you are a bad DP... period. The tools are there, learn to use them.
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Brilliant. I very much agree with everything this man is saying. Especially the last paragraph...that's exactly what I thought when I read it.

Thats great that you all love your hvx. I love mine...but a lot of you are just coming off blind and ignorant...Its like walking into a BMW forum.
 
i wanna know more about its variable framerates.... if they had guts theyd figure out a way of making 120 FPS capability.....
 
So basically, Sony have watched Panasonic and have learned from their mistakes. They have allowed Panasonic go gloat for the past few years, but now they are hear to crash the party; big time! and they are bring a bigger keg of beer that tastes a lot nicer. I've always compared the solid-state thing as a video version of the 'space race' between the Americans and the Russians. Who was going to get to the moon first? Well this was similar, because Panasonic wanted to get their first, they simply rushed the technology by stuffing four bog-standard SD cards into a PC Card by way of raid as this was the only way to achieve the transfer speeds required. Sure, Panasonic got there first, but with the wrong technology; old technology. Instead, Sony watched and waited and now they are going to spring their trump card and it is called the EX series XDCAM EX HD. It's new, it's the latest technology that will be around long after the P2 graveyard has had new houses and modern apartments built over the top of it. It is not going to be around until November this year, but when it is, expect a revolution as Sony take the XDCAM family well and truly into the future.
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I LOVE this article, what an idiot. I am not saying the new cam isnt great and panny is better, but if you're going to bash and talk smack about panny, you better at least spell check... Last time I was in a school, they taught me "Sony HAS watched panasonic...." and "now they are HERE to crash the party"...

Also last I remember, the following is not a whole sentance, "and they are bring a bigger keg of beer that tastes a lot nicer." Not only does it start with a conjunction but it does not even make sense.

Sorry, but people who smear other cameras and display a clear lack of literacy bother me to no end! If you can't write properly, why should I even listen to you?

Read the rest of the article..... this guy must have been writing late in his Vegas hotel room after attending many NAB parties!
http://www.dvuser.co.uk/content.php?CID=158

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And dont forget the PD150 or 170 were the KING for along time. Like many companies, if somethign works dont fix it. the PD150 worked (and still does) so innovation can slow down a bit. Panasonic upped the ante with the DVX100, and saw what good innovation brings. The chance they took was big. what if people didint like 24p. noone would care about the DVX100, and the PD150 would have led to the Fx1\z1 and the world would have stayed in Interlaced heaven. But it takes time to get a product right. the V1 was a step in the right direction but needed some tweaks. And this is the fruit of sony labour. If the XDCAM HD format, is good, (despite 420) this cam will deservedly take the #1 slot. that just means the sucessor to the HVX200 needs to KICK ALOT of Ass. who knows, with its half inch CCDs it jsut may be a perfect combo of , lowlight, razor sharp noiseless picture and high dynamic range. sounds good to me :)
 
I haven't seen anything at the Sony booth at all yet. Biggest thing I see in this is: now every major manufacturer is offering solid-state recording. XDCAM discs? Bah. Thomson, Red, Ikegami, Panasonic, and now finally Sony are all offering solid-state memory recording...

Hey, I say let's see it. I haven't seen a Sony camcorder since the PD150 that's been actually intriguing, but if they're learning and adapting and starting to produce the product that customers actually want, that can only be taken as good news.

XDCAM-HD though? Blah. Sooner or later they'll stop that and switch to an H.264 compression system. When they do, that will be a good day.
 
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