I get that. But no 24p/25p/30p, apparently.
New sony cam follows our beloved HVX
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You keep saying that as if it's authoritative. You have *no idea* what Panasonic will or won't do.Tim Le said:
Do you think it was "P2 suicide" to include a tape drive, or to make a P2 alternative (the FireStore, which was developed in partnership with Focus and is sold exclusively by Panasonic)? Do you think it was "P2 suicide" to allow direct recording to computers or tape decks? As it now stands, P2 is an OPTION on the HVX. It is perhaps the best option, but still only an option.
Very soon we should have third-party card suppliers from Hoodman and one other (Venom or something like that). Either one may choose to implement the expresscard adapter as I've suggested. Or not. But it really doesn't matter. The system is here now, works now, has fantastic support from broadcasters worldwide, and will be here for years and years to come.
Panasonic's pretty much "bet the company" on P2. To imply that they'll somehow miss that bet is to grossly underestimate them.
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Why do you speak as if you KNOW what they will and won't do? You don't have any idea what their internal roadmap is (and neither do I, nor does anyone else outside of the factory in Japan).Tim Le said:
They're selling tens of thousands of P2 cameras today, whether you think ExpressCard is a better form factor or not. And there's some rather intelligent people at work in that company. If they think ExpressCard would offer a significant benefit to their users, they'd supply it. If they think it would offer a competitive edge, they'd supply it. If they felt they were going to lose sales by not offering it, they'd offer it.
The difference is, they're not just making off-the-cuff proclamations, they have extensive marketing and research behind their decisions. They have tight relationships with massive broadcast outlets. They know exactly what they're doing.
I exhort you to consider that perhaps your doomsday scenario isn't the only possible way to interpret the facts. I again point you to the fact that they made an ALTERNATIVE to P2 recording available almost from Day 1 (the FireStore, for those who want to record on hard disk instead of cards). And that there are other alternatives, none of which they've tried to stop from coming to market (the CitiDisk, the CinePorter, the Hoodman H2 p2-equivalent card, etc).
Let me throw this out there: Panasonic wants to sell cameras. P2 is an accessory to the camera. If they felt that making an ExpressCard adapter would help them sell more cameras, that's what they'll do. But what they WON'T do is screw over their existing customer base by giving them no path to upgrade! Which is why I say -- if they decide ExpressCard is the way to go at some point in the future, they'd most likely develop some adapter idea.
And they have not yet ever said that they're going to do that. And as long as stations and broadcasters continue to convert to their system, WHY SHOULD THEY? Heck, Asia Pacific told me that something on the order of 70% of broadcast in Asia is now converted to Panasonic gear. They're doing rather well in the marketplace. Their system works. They have no incentive to rock the boat.
And if the boat gets rocked, they will respond. So why the worry?
Barry_Green
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Okay, another characterization I reject is the notion that this board is made up of exclusively backyard filmmakers. There are very many people on here who make their living from video. Most have some aspirations towards making their opus film, many have no interest in that whatsoever. You can't issue blanket statements about this board's membership; it just wouldn't be accurate.
Let the EX come out before you say it will or won't ignite massive trends one way or another. It's still almost 8 months away -- at the Sony booth they said "end of the year, and about $8,000." That's a *long* time in camcorder-speak. Plenty of time for Canon to bring out an AVC-HD version of the XHA1 that records to dirt-cheap SD memory cards, or Panasonic to put out a high-def AVC-HD-based DVX100 that retails at $2500 and records to off-the-shelf SD memory cards, etc. Whether the EX even has applicability for the vast majority of the membership remains to be seen, it is far from a "done deal."
The only things we know for certain are: 1) Sony has at least acknowledged that memory-card recording is a good thing, 2) they are trying to match the HVX feature-for-feature, which is a good thing, and 3) those who actually like the XDCAM long-GOP format will now have another choice available to them, which is a good thing for them. All the rest of this posturing and speculation is counterproductive and premature, and based on extremely incomplete information.
When the time gets closer, and facts are known, we'll gladly revisit it. Right now, it seems to be bringing out the worst in the board, so this thread's getting a lockdown until things cool off.
Let the EX come out before you say it will or won't ignite massive trends one way or another. It's still almost 8 months away -- at the Sony booth they said "end of the year, and about $8,000." That's a *long* time in camcorder-speak. Plenty of time for Canon to bring out an AVC-HD version of the XHA1 that records to dirt-cheap SD memory cards, or Panasonic to put out a high-def AVC-HD-based DVX100 that retails at $2500 and records to off-the-shelf SD memory cards, etc. Whether the EX even has applicability for the vast majority of the membership remains to be seen, it is far from a "done deal."
The only things we know for certain are: 1) Sony has at least acknowledged that memory-card recording is a good thing, 2) they are trying to match the HVX feature-for-feature, which is a good thing, and 3) those who actually like the XDCAM long-GOP format will now have another choice available to them, which is a good thing for them. All the rest of this posturing and speculation is counterproductive and premature, and based on extremely incomplete information.
When the time gets closer, and facts are known, we'll gladly revisit it. Right now, it seems to be bringing out the worst in the board, so this thread's getting a lockdown until things cool off.
I'm not nitpicking anything. I'm trying to confirm what the actual specs of the camera are so that I can speak/think intelligently about it.Tim Le said:
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