William_Robinette
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Fully manual lens, and a workflow much more refined in many respects, cheaper media all come to mind.
New sony cam follows our beloved HVX
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Lenilenapi
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Not to mention the archiving option on what they say are inexpensive HDCAM discs.
It sounds promising and all the Sony bashing here is ridiculous. Of course the Panasonic bashing all over that DVUser article was also ridiculous and made me suspicious of its claims. Who paid for that article?
It sounds promising and all the Sony bashing here is ridiculous. Of course the Panasonic bashing all over that DVUser article was also ridiculous and made me suspicious of its claims. Who paid for that article?
It seems to me, the sony has the advantage of having 1/2" chips, a cheaper and more available storage medium, and if the lens is what it says it is, this is a biiiiiig deal. I see two possible achilles heels: 1- the codec. I haven't seen the XDCAM HD codec in person, but I'm still a bit wary of long GOP codecs (unbridled praise from the UK article aside). 2, I haven't yet seen a sony cam with the color reproduction I get from the HVX. We'll just have to wait and see, but I've hoped for real manual lenses before, and I still haven't seen 'em in our price range for the quality we're looking for.
Clearly the future is tapeless, and this confirms it. Expect competition from Canon and JVC next! But one thing that Sony did right - by the looks of it, there's no provision for MiniDV. I wonder just how many of us actually use the tape drive for any serious shooting? I bought some tape when I bought the camera a year ago and still haven't opened the package. I'd be very happy if Panasonic had thrown out the tape drive and use the money for something else - side-ways mount viewfinder, longer lens - or just gave us a more compact camera. BTW don't celebrate too soon: support for the HVX in NLE was really prompt and useable from the start, just because the card fits don't mean the files can be imported!
Domis Entertainment
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I can see why some of the HVX Patriots are getting their panties in a bunch. It is competition, and that is good for everyone! Now that HVX has a head to head competitor, they will battle eachother out in price drops over the next few years. I doubt we will see a price drop or a major reinvention of the HVX, but do expect the memory to continue to get cheaper and cheaper. I bought my 8GB around 1200 bucks..now we can buy 16GB for 900? I wouldn't doubt that we can thank the fear of competition for this result.
Plus...let's not forget guys..if you really are worried about your HVX looking limp next to the new Sony..just install the new HYDRA system.
Consider the HYDRA SYSTEM as a form of Penis Enlargement or Male Enhancement for the HVX.
I wonder what Canon has up their sleeve at NAB2007 this year? Is JVC gonna sit around comfortably in last place?
Plus...let's not forget guys..if you really are worried about your HVX looking limp next to the new Sony..just install the new HYDRA system.
Consider the HYDRA SYSTEM as a form of Penis Enlargement or Male Enhancement for the HVX.
I wonder what Canon has up their sleeve at NAB2007 this year? Is JVC gonna sit around comfortably in last place?
John Godden
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Optiks said:
Looks like a 'fixed' lens to me. Where did you read about interchangeable lenses???
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What is with the 4:2:0 color? Are they still using the HDV codec and long GOP for this? If so, why? What's the point?
I look forward to cheaper prices through competition, as with the advent of the 32gb card the HVX finally has 1 hour record times to rival tape, making it just as suitable as any other HD cam for any kind of gig, but it seems strange that Sony would go with a troublesome codec.
The larger chip sounds nice, though. I bet a Hydra for the Sony would hold up well against the Hydra for the HVX, altho they're probably, pros and cons weighed, pretty equal in the field.
I look forward to cheaper prices through competition, as with the advent of the 32gb card the HVX finally has 1 hour record times to rival tape, making it just as suitable as any other HD cam for any kind of gig, but it seems strange that Sony would go with a troublesome codec.
The larger chip sounds nice, though. I bet a Hydra for the Sony would hold up well against the Hydra for the HVX, altho they're probably, pros and cons weighed, pretty equal in the field.
John Godden said:
"... I've had it straight from the horses mouth that it is going to be a Fujinon built in lens and quite possibly a proper one with infinity stops, not a servo-focus job that simply spins for ever."
Yeah. I misread the info. Looks like a fixed lens.
Links here: http://www.dvuser.co.uk/content.php?CID=158
David Wanger
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Optiks said:
Looks like a cool camera but...
"There is absolutely no doubt that 2007 is going to be Sony's year; and a very busy one at that."
Get real. Is this guy on Sony's payroll or what?
jake stutheit
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I think this is freakin great news! While im not a fan of Sony, HVX users / lovers have everthing to gain from this. Competition breeds better prices and new products. When Sonys PR campaign for this camera heats up before its release, Panasonic would be really stupid not to not to offer a new product, or drop prices somewhere, or offer an upgrade of somekind. Panasonic now does not have a monopoly on a prosumer pricetag camera with variable framerates and solid state recording, which can only mean good things for everyone.
I welcome the expansion of the market. remember when all the sony users said solid states is lame and a hassle of a workflow?
Camera seems interesting and has a couple good specs like 1/2 chip and express cards but who cares about that when your still recording on a shitty format like mpeg2 using GoP(hdv)? you dont get more record time using their highest quality video. and you get less color space (sony gets 4:2:0 compared to pana's 4:2:2). I'd also just like to say that the dvuser.uk article was pretty lame and biased with comments like "...These new products and technological advancements will put Sony light-years ahead of the competition as they cover tape, disc, solid state cards..." which arent even true. I welcome more cameras and technology, but i dont see sony's offering anything new or better (or cheaper). we'll have to see all the specs once they are released.
Camera seems interesting and has a couple good specs like 1/2 chip and express cards but who cares about that when your still recording on a shitty format like mpeg2 using GoP(hdv)? you dont get more record time using their highest quality video. and you get less color space (sony gets 4:2:0 compared to pana's 4:2:2). I'd also just like to say that the dvuser.uk article was pretty lame and biased with comments like "...These new products and technological advancements will put Sony light-years ahead of the competition as they cover tape, disc, solid state cards..." which arent even true. I welcome more cameras and technology, but i dont see sony's offering anything new or better (or cheaper). we'll have to see all the specs once they are released.
kamikaze1213
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I knew this was only a matter of time. Sony had been quiet for so long that I knew they were cooking up something. It makes sense though, The HVR Z had good looking images and was pretty decent camera but came lacking with no true 24fp mode and they had to answer market somehow. Looks like this is going to be it. I love my Panasonic but have always been a little concerned in the area of P2 and it's longevity in the market place, I have made posts about the technology going obsolete and the frustration of the high costs of P2 Media. I'm still lovin my HVX but I can't deny the draw that this new camera is bringing. I may pick one up once I have heard more about it, seen footage etc..
As time goes by there is increasingly little doubt that the future will more and more be solid state. But that is the future, and to Sonys credit they seem to realise that a onesize fits all model is not currently sensible, and selling solidstate cameras alongside disc and HDV models with commonalities of editing is a sound strategy.
Two things about this camera (the EX) surprise me: 1/2" chips and the use of Express Card as opposed to Memory Stick or Compact Flash.
The 1/2" chips in a camera of this price/size is highly significant, and is something I would rate as more important than the codec/colour space issues.
As regards media, I can't help wondering if CF or MS would have been a better choice for the EX camera at the moment. (Much cheaper per Gigabyte.) That said, I suspect the real interest in Express Card memory is in future extensions to the pro ranges, so maybe the EX may be valid as an initial step at validating the format? Maybe a format which is more expensive than CF, but still far cheaper than P2, whilst outperforming the latter, may be more suitable for pro ranges, especially as time goes on?
Either way, the future for P2 looks more and more bleak - compared to Express Card it is now slower, more expensive per GB, and being natively supported on fewer and fewer computers.
I look forward to seeing what JVC and Canon do in the next year.
Two things about this camera (the EX) surprise me: 1/2" chips and the use of Express Card as opposed to Memory Stick or Compact Flash.
The 1/2" chips in a camera of this price/size is highly significant, and is something I would rate as more important than the codec/colour space issues.
As regards media, I can't help wondering if CF or MS would have been a better choice for the EX camera at the moment. (Much cheaper per Gigabyte.) That said, I suspect the real interest in Express Card memory is in future extensions to the pro ranges, so maybe the EX may be valid as an initial step at validating the format? Maybe a format which is more expensive than CF, but still far cheaper than P2, whilst outperforming the latter, may be more suitable for pro ranges, especially as time goes on?
Either way, the future for P2 looks more and more bleak - compared to Express Card it is now slower, more expensive per GB, and being natively supported on fewer and fewer computers.
I look forward to seeing what JVC and Canon do in the next year.
An interesting quote
An interesting quote
http://www.dvuser.co.uk/content.php?CID=158
Here's an interesting bias:
"So basically, Sony have watched Panasonic and have learned from their mistakes. They have allowed Panasonic go gloat for the past few years, but now they are hear to crash the party; big time! and they are bring a bigger keg of beer that tastes a lot nicer. I've always compared the solid-state thing as a video version of the 'space race' between the Americans and the Russians. Who was going to get to the moon first? Well this was similar, because Panasonic wanted to get their first, they simply rushed the technology by stuffing four bog-standard SD cards into a PC Card by way of raid as this was the only way to achieve the transfer speeds required. Sure, Panasonic got there first, but with the wrong technology; old technology. Instead, Sony watched and waited and now they are going to spring their trump card and it is called the EX series XDCAM EX HD. It's new, it's the latest technology that will be around long after the P2 graveyard has had new houses and modern apartments built over the top of it. It is not going to be around until November this year, but when it is, expect a revolution as Sony take the XDCAM family well and truly into the future."
An interesting quote
http://www.dvuser.co.uk/content.php?CID=158
Here's an interesting bias:
"So basically, Sony have watched Panasonic and have learned from their mistakes. They have allowed Panasonic go gloat for the past few years, but now they are hear to crash the party; big time! and they are bring a bigger keg of beer that tastes a lot nicer. I've always compared the solid-state thing as a video version of the 'space race' between the Americans and the Russians. Who was going to get to the moon first? Well this was similar, because Panasonic wanted to get their first, they simply rushed the technology by stuffing four bog-standard SD cards into a PC Card by way of raid as this was the only way to achieve the transfer speeds required. Sure, Panasonic got there first, but with the wrong technology; old technology. Instead, Sony watched and waited and now they are going to spring their trump card and it is called the EX series XDCAM EX HD. It's new, it's the latest technology that will be around long after the P2 graveyard has had new houses and modern apartments built over the top of it. It is not going to be around until November this year, but when it is, expect a revolution as Sony take the XDCAM family well and truly into the future."
Competition is great, but that article was over the top and pretty overzealous. I'll withhold judgment until I see footage.
saturnin
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that design looks like ass, i use all types of SD/HDV cameras and i really dont like the look of sony, its great in low light but it just looks like "americas funniest videos", its FLAT!!!
I think having a new camera come out is great biness for everyone, but i will stick with panny for a little bit longer.
I think having a new camera come out is great biness for everyone, but i will stick with panny for a little bit longer.
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