Also the fact that the swappable mount has an allen key screw keeping it firmly in placed, shows that this camera is not just aimed at the mass market RF Mount users, but they're also targeting PL users too. This should be a serious cinema camera, not just a C100mk3 for modern times.
New RF Mount Cinema Camera coming June 5
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Add the R-series AF system in there and you have a perfect package.
Canon is seeing their one 3rd party RF lens customer disappear, RED to archrival Nikon. Their insistence on exclusive, proprietary communication with camera body has shot them in the foot. XF-AVC is not going to find acceptance for cinema codec. Canon desperately needs a more efficient raw codec for acceptance in cinema. Cinema-LT is not it, still noisy, overweight and a drag on resources at each end of production. Sony has their X-OCN, a manageable raw codec. Arriraw is thick but enter Prores 4444. Redcode is very popular and Blackmagic BRAW that partially debayers in-camera is very efficient and manageable.
A new Canon cinema camera is answering a need for landing proprietary RF lens on a Canon cinema body, which outside of Canon fandom (please excuse the term), nobody else cares. What would distinguish the cinema line from any other RF body is leaving off the automation, IBIS, AF, animal tracking, car tracking, touch tracking, AI based garbage of the like that requires as much pre-planned time for menu dives, how you will use it, as it would save during live filming, not likely as these are core concepts of Canon, Panasonic, Sony and Nikon.
A new Canon cinema camera is answering a need for landing proprietary RF lens on a Canon cinema body, which outside of Canon fandom (please excuse the term), nobody else cares. What would distinguish the cinema line from any other RF body is leaving off the automation, IBIS, AF, animal tracking, car tracking, touch tracking, AI based garbage of the like that requires as much pre-planned time for menu dives, how you will use it, as it would save during live filming, not likely as these are core concepts of Canon, Panasonic, Sony and Nikon.
If Canon knows its Cinema line user segment well, they'd be wise to stick with documentaries, run and gun, and solo shooters. (Basically, any shoot that doesn't rely on a crew.) The movie segment has been lost to other manufacturers for a long time.
Take Canon's Manual Focus Assist as an example. No buttons to press, no menus to access to switch between manual focus and autofocus while shooting. Both modes are always present.
cpreston
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It's weird to me that Canon has gotten a bad reputation. I remember it starting at the release of the "overpriced" 1DC, and the C300MKII took a beating because it lacked 4K 60p. For the most part, I find Canon incredibly reliable and their cameras generally meet my needs better than other cameras. Whenever I am on shoots with other brands, I'm surprised by all of the missing features that I've come to rely upon in Canon cameras. Like the ability to have manual focus assist. Or a useable preamp and audio unit. Or the ability to ride the ISO without much of an effect on the picture quality or the stop distribution.
In any case, it looks like Canon is finally releasing a full frame, RF mount cinema camera. I'll probably pick at least one up unless the specs are no better than the R5c. I'm hoping for DGO and an 8K sensor and I will be satisfied. I will actually be excited if they also announce some new RF Z lenses since the 24-105mm f/2.8 Z is a brilliant lens. I'm not expecting Canon to try to compete with Arri, but otherwise I think they hold their own.
In any case, it looks like Canon is finally releasing a full frame, RF mount cinema camera. I'll probably pick at least one up unless the specs are no better than the R5c. I'm hoping for DGO and an 8K sensor and I will be satisfied. I will actually be excited if they also announce some new RF Z lenses since the 24-105mm f/2.8 Z is a brilliant lens. I'm not expecting Canon to try to compete with Arri, but otherwise I think they hold their own.
DustinSchmidt
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The real question in all of this...whatever it is...what will it cost?
Are they going to try and price things in a similar range as the C70/FX6 when those came out? If it's only super35, maybe so. Those cameras sold very well due to the price to performance ratio.
Or are we going to see full frame and more K's? In which case, are they going to keep things at or around $10-15K? Or go full Burano on it and jack the price up to the $25K range?
Are they going to try and price things in a similar range as the C70/FX6 when those came out? If it's only super35, maybe so. Those cameras sold very well due to the price to performance ratio.
Or are we going to see full frame and more K's? In which case, are they going to keep things at or around $10-15K? Or go full Burano on it and jack the price up to the $25K range?
rob norton
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What’s the silver cylindrical wheel on camera right from the above YT thumbnail?
cpreston
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Canon has a data port of some sort near the top of their higher end cameras and a thumb screw that is used for helping to attach it. That's what it looks like to me although I've never actually used the port and the thumb screw attachment.
drboffa
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Not to hijack but how are you getting around the C70's lack of an EVF? In particular if you shoot outdoors at all. We're considering picking up a couple at work (and the station already has one that's used by one shooter) but my unit is a bit worried about the monitoring situation. Zacuto makes a loupe (overpriced and likely overbuilt) but there's not much else (unless you go with an expensive Gratical eye or similar).
scorsesefan
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I just got it and haven’t used it outside yet but can see it being an issue. With my fx3 I just used a lcd hood so maybe there’s a similar solution for the c70. I would just be weary of hanging anything remotely heavy on its lcd given that it’s a week point to begin with…
rob norton
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Are you talking about the c700? I see various similar silver thumb screws, would be cool if it's some type of pot/control dial.
rob norton
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No "VIDEO" connector on the front, does this lean more towards c70 than premium models?
Is 400 unlikely given the tetraphobic japanese naming schemes?
I have 2 C70's (1. tripod cam and 2. hand-held cam on strap). Both have EVF addons.
Tripod cam has the Zacuto C70 z-finder clipped to the LCD. I got the parts cheap. Works great. Flips up and down, protects the weak LCD, I can see the false color in my eye when needed, etc...
Hand-held cam has the Portkeys LEYE EVF attached as close to the top as possible on the smallrig C70 cage. Works great for hand-held shooting with the camera jammed up to my eye, Kubrick-style. Not as low-profile as the C200 style built-in EVF, but much better quality image with more features. Quite inexpensive too (by EVF standards).
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My wishes:
- Box camera - easy form factor to use on a gimbal
- Mix of C300 MK III and C500 II DNA
- Possibility to use the EVF-V70
scorsesefan
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I saw that. The original C200 debuted at $7500 and then made its way down to its current $3500. I would think the C400 would be priced similarly?