New HVX Steadicam Shot

David S. said:
I've converted it using flip4mac to wmv9.

Don't have a way to deliver it, though.
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I would be way more than happy to host it on my server for everyone.

Edit: ug, that guy got banned. Could SOMEone PLEASE encode this file for the rest of us to see? I will offer my own server space for hosting. Thank you. :)
 
I just watched the clip. Looks very nice and rich like the stills. Very good work Spinflight,I look forward to more footage.

pappas
 
How is the Aviator as a rig, have you used others to compare to?
(yes I'm hoping for a rig review)

Spinflight said:
Your gait with which you walk also makes a huge difference. The key is to get your hips as motionless as possible(particularly the up and down motion). It's really a matter of scurrying your legs underneath your body when you walk/run, leaving your upper body motionless.
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Sorry, but "you are dooing it wrong". :undecided You should be able to walk normally, standing up straight, when operating. If you are "gliding" with your body (as some website once mistakenly said) you are walking with you knees bent. This will tire out your leg muscles very quickly and you also risk knee injury from the added stress.
When operarting you should be able to walk normally, and then just adjust the rig to you.
- Might be a shortcoming of the rig that it can't handle full bumps. Let us know.

- Mikko
 
mikkowilson said:
How is the Aviator as a rig, have you used others to compare to?
(yes I'm hoping for a rig review)



Sorry, but "you are dooing it wrong". :undecided You should be able to walk normally, standing up straight, when operating. If you are "gliding" with your body (as some website once mistakenly said) you are walking with you knees bent. This will tire out your leg muscles very quickly and you also risk knee injury from the added stress.
When operarting you should be able to walk normally, and then just adjust the rig to you.
- Might be a shortcoming of the rig that it can't handle full bumps. Let us know.

- Mikko
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That's for a regular 35mm steadicams. You can't walk normally with DV. Not enough enertia to keep the camera still. You might as well shoot hand held if you're your going to walk normally. The DV systems will bounce all over the place. Put simply, not enough mass. Trust me I've tried.
 
Stevet said:
I hear you Isaac, but we all know noise reduction software destroys image resolution. It's a trade-off.

I'm really hoping Panasonic is hearing our concerns about noise levels.

If they could reduce the noise levels, this adjustment will no doubt be one of the largest deciding factors for the people who are on the fence of buying this camera.

We can see that it offers reasonable latitude and decent color space. It has all the goods, that's for sure.

The Canon H1 seems to be decent in the noise department.
The footage of the mother and girl in what appears to be a dawn, or dusk shot. Nice rendition with low to no noise.

Steve
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The H1 clip of the little girl was not a dawn shot. It was shot with the master ped down to i believe -5.
 
Spinflight said:
That's for a regular 35mm steadicams. You can't walk normally with DV. Not enough enertia to keep the camera still. You might as well shoot hand held if you're your going to walk normally. The DV systems will bounce all over the place. Put simply, not enough mass. Trust me I've tried.
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Spin: watch my Steadicam demo reel at http://mikko.n3.net/files/MIKKO-WILSON_STEADICAM.wmv
- That is mostly DV on a Steadicam Flyer. - Walking normally.

Which systems have you tried? (I'm honestly curious)

- Mikko
 
Mikko, Thanks for the advice and the video. I can always learn a thing or two. I haven't tried as many as I would like. I do know I like the double arm better than the single. Those never seemed to work for me. It looks like you're using the flyer. That was a liittle beyond my budget at the time. Maybe I'll look into it now though.

Tuface,

The light is a Lite Panel (flood). Just a bunch of dimmable LED's. They don't color shift when you adjust the brightness. great little lights and ever so versatile. They're pretty much a permanent fixture on my HVX now.
 
holyzoo said:
I realize the 35mm imager may soften the image a bit. But I'm not too concerned. Looking like the wait is definitely worth it.
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I know we haven't seen footage with a 35mm imager attached yet, but do you think the slight softening that will happen with the adapter will help smooth out some of the noise we are seeing? Or will we get grain on noise and it will degrade the image further?
 
Brian Petersen said:
I know we haven't seen footage with a 35mm imager attached yet, but do you think the slight softening that will happen with the adapter will help smooth out some of the noise we are seeing? Or will we get grain on noise and it will degrade the image further?
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Seeing as noise is an electronic arifact that is introduced at some point in the camera's image chain, putting something in front of the lens isn't going to make any difference.
 
Luis Caffesse said:
Seeing as noise is an electronic arifact that is introduced at some point in the camera's image chain, putting something in front of the lens isn't going to make any difference.
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Duh. I really wasn't thinking things through on that question. Wishful thinking I suppose.
 
Re: 35 adapter-

Doubt this will happen either, BUT, I'm hoping some of the predicted softness lessens the harsh detail inherent in HD. Do we think the softness will be more on an HVX than it is on a DVX?
 
Ummmmm. Wow. It's beautifully shot, but geez o man, that noise is incredible. I'm sorry, but if you folks think it's not noticeable, you gotta get new glasses. It's not just the moving blurred background, look at her shirt, noise is dancing all over it like a UHF TV channel. Look in any dark area of the image. What's really depressing is her skin, it's completely noisy! My PDX-10 does a better job with the noise than this example. Please tell me the detail setting will improve it dramatically! I mean, I suppose the latitude is a major advantage, but I am not impressed with the noise levels. I'm not just giving people sh*t, I'm on a preorder list, but now reconsidering. Maybe consumer HD just isn't ready.

Edit: OK, I looked at it playing as close to full speed as my powerbook can do, perhaps I over-reacted. It's still pretty dramatic, though.
 
doccutter, were you playing back the clip in QuickTime Player or in FCP? QTPlayer can sometimes play the clip back with incorrect gamma settings making things look milky and washed out with hightened noise.
 
I am playing it back in latest Quicktime
on a Dell 24'' screen...and it looks noisy.
It looks noisy if I play it full screen n my powerbook.

I am not bashing this camera - I just want to know if this is off the P2 card and into final cut and saved with somesort of compression ?

Thanks
 
I'm on a PC, so I have only seen the grabs. Naturally, the detail setting will have significant bearing on the end image.

Did you have anything but the LCD for this footage?

I think you get what you get - and a Lite Panel isn't nearly enough in a parking garage. The camera producing volumes of noise in blacks is one thing, but mids are a different story. You gotta get some light in there.

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