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I thought they had the technology to send an electronic signal to control the darkness of a ND filter without physically moving it. Heck even variable nd filter just need to be rotated. Even though they can alter the color the camera could compensate for it like the do for lens distortion. Seems like camera manufactures aren't that innovative. If they can roll out basically the same camera then that's what they'll do.
Btw, FX3 would be the most logical camera they would update given it's the oldest and they have released firmware updates mean they'd prefer to release a new model instead.
Doesn't the FX6 and FX9 use eND are you saying those cameras can't shoot clear? Someone earlier in the thread said that eND isn't possible yet?neither eND nor vari-ND can go all the way to clear which is why they still want to swing the filter out of the way
Ok, eVND does exist and can go to zero. So those aren't the reasons they're not in the FX3. I would then assume that Sony when designing the FX3 could have made the camera a little larger to include them but decided not to. Seems to me internal ND filters is feature that they've designated for more expensive models FX6 & FX9. Even if they could add them they wouldn'teVND begins at 2-stops. You have to jump from zero to 2-stops then you can vary the density incrementally up to about 7-stops. If you want less than 2-stops, you have to disengage ND enitrely. But this is really no different than any Sony camera that has bulit-in ND filters. Even without variable, the minimum is always 2-stops on any Sony camera with an ND filter wheel.
Would it be nice to go from 0 to 7 stops. Yes. It's a big deal to begin at 2-stops? No really.
Ok, eVND does exist and can go to zero.
Ok, eVND does exist and can go to zero. So those aren't the reasons they're not in the FX3. I would then assume that Sony when designing the FX3 could have made the camera a little larger to include them but decided not to. Seems to me internal ND filters is feature that they've designated for more expensive models FX6 & FX9. Even if they could add them they wouldn't
eVND begins at 2-stops. You have to jump from zero to 2-stops then you can vary the density incrementally up to about 7-stops. If you want less than 2-stops, you have to disengage ND enitrely. But this is really no different than any Sony camera that has bulit-in ND filters. Even without variable, the minimum is always 2-stops on any Sony camera with an ND filter wheel.
Would it be nice to go from 0 to 7 stops. Yes. It's a big deal to begin at 2-stops? No really.
Sorry, I guess I didn't make myself clear. eVND begins at 2-stops. It does not go to 0-stops. If you want less than 2-stops, then the filter has to physically move out of the way. Which is done by pressing a button.
Precisely my point. The FX3 was designed around the same time FX6 & FX9. These cameras were planned out as a family. If Sony wanted to include NDs in the FX3 they would have done it then. They are not going introduce a major feature of a higher model on the next release of a lower end model just to make customers happy. So basically its unrealistic to expect such an inclusion. This is common schism you see between what would make filmmakers happy and what makes business sense for the manufacture.The difference in weight between the FX3 and FX6 bodies is only 250g. Adding the eND to the FX3 really wouldn't leave much room for differentiation between the two.
I mean we're getting into such a different level here, but the Venice 1 & 2 go from Clear to 8-stops in 1-stop increments with their dual/stacked internal ND filter wheels.
Precisely my point. The FX3 was designed around the same time FX6 & FX9. These cameras were planned out as a family. If Sony wanted to include NDs in the FX3 they would have done it then. They are not going introduce a major feature of a higher model on the next release of a lower end model just to make customers happy. So basically its unrealistic to expect such an inclusion. This is common schism you see between what would make filmmakers happy and what makes business sense for the manufacture.
Sony point is they are dedicated video cameras with no intent to be used to take pictures like their dual purpose mirrorless cameras. So one could argue that a dedicated video camera should have internal NDs no matter the form factor. I mean it would be nice to get similar features across the family of FX cameras and pay for the form factor you want but like I said before manufactures want to play the feature game.I don't even consider the FX3 and FX30 as part of the Cinema Line. They are basically mirrorless cameras that don't even have a viewfinder. To lump them in with the FX6 and FX9 is a stretch -- even though Sony does exactly that.
So one could argue that a dedicated video camera should have internal NDs no matter the form factor.
They also don't have a consistent number methodology. Does a higher number indicate a higher end model fx3 -> fx6 -> fx9 Yes fx30 huh? Then you have Alpha line the A7 then it jumps to the A1 as the top so how are they ever going to top the A1 the A0 then the A negative 1, etc?Agreed! That should be a required specification.
BTW, I don't even like the name of the FX30. In Sony parlance, "FX" is supposed to mean Full Frame and "FS" is suppsed to mean Super35. The FX30 has a S35 sensor, therefore it should be the FS-30. I've written my congressman about it.
the FX30 is on sale for $200 off. such a relatively large discount on such a new and supposedly popular camera would support the theory that an improved replacement is coming soon... the FX30 with an internal ND filter... for let's say $2500... it could happen. I still wouldn't buy one. but I'd buy a full-frame version with internal ND filter
the FX30 is on sale for $200 off. such a relatively large discount on such a new and supposedly popular camera would support the theory that an improved replacement is coming soon... the FX30 with an internal ND filter... for let's say $2500... it could happen. I still wouldn't buy one. but I'd buy a full-frame version with internal ND filter
Do you think so, Abe? The fx30 is the newest of their cinema cameras. My money is on an fx9II or fx6II,,,