New FX cam?
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ahalpert
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neither eND nor vari-ND can go all the way to clear which is why they still want to swing the filter out of the way
the FX9 is the oldest of the FX line. I was sort of expecting they would update that one next
there have been 3 new cameras registered by Sony. that's not a rumor, that's a fact. one of them is very likely the a9iii.
I think the other 2 are rumored to be video-oriented. 1 of them is expected to be a "camcorder" in the FX line based on where it's being manufactured. I had thought that would be the FX9mk2 but just a guess.
The third camera is a mystery, although we know that it's not entry-level because it has dual band wi-fi. It could be an a7siv. It could be something else.
Peter C.
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Doesn't the FX6 and FX9 use eND are you saying those cameras can't shoot clear? Someone earlier in the thread said that eND isn't possible yet?
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Doug Jensen
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eVND begins at 2-stops. You have to jump from zero to 2-stops then you can vary the density incrementally up to about 7-stops. If you want less than 2-stops, you have to disengage ND enitrely. But this is really no different than any Sony camera that has bulit-in ND filters. Even without variable, the minimum is always 2-stops on any Sony camera with an ND filter wheel.
Would it be nice to go from 0 to 7 stops. Yes. It's a big deal to begin at 2-stops? No really.
Would it be nice to go from 0 to 7 stops. Yes. It's a big deal to begin at 2-stops? No really.
Peter C.
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Ok, eVND does exist and can go to zero. So those aren't the reasons they're not in the FX3. I would then assume that Sony when designing the FX3 could have made the camera a little larger to include them but decided not to. Seems to me internal ND filters is feature that they've designated for more expensive models FX6 & FX9. Even if they could add them they wouldn't
Doug Jensen
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Sorry, I guess I didn't make myself clear. eVND begins at 2-stops. It does not go to 0-stops. If you want less than 2-stops, then the filter has to physically move out of the way. Which is done by pressing a button.
Grug
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The difference in weight between the FX3 and FX6 bodies is only 250g. Adding the eND to the FX3 really wouldn't leave much room for differentiation between the two.
Run&Gun
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I mean we're getting into such a different level here, but the Venice 1 & 2 go from Clear to 8-stops in 1-stop increments with their dual/stacked internal ND filter wheels.
scorsesefan
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Just a FYI for the webmasters, the home page for dvxuser is not loading in either Mozilla or Safari for me...
Peter C.
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Now I understand.
Precisely my point. The FX3 was designed around the same time FX6 & FX9. These cameras were planned out as a family. If Sony wanted to include NDs in the FX3 they would have done it then. They are not going introduce a major feature of a higher model on the next release of a lower end model just to make customers happy. So basically its unrealistic to expect such an inclusion. This is common schism you see between what would make filmmakers happy and what makes business sense for the manufacture.
Doug Jensen
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I didn't know that about the Venice. Thanks.
All in all, I'd still rather have the eVND instead, though.
Doug Jensen
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I don't even consider the FX3 and FX30 as part of the Cinema Line. They are basically mirrorless cameras that don't even have a viewfinder. To lump them in with the FX6 and FX9 is a stretch -- even though Sony does exactly that.
Peter C.
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Sony point is they are dedicated video cameras with no intent to be used to take pictures like their dual purpose mirrorless cameras. So one could argue that a dedicated video camera should have internal NDs no matter the form factor. I mean it would be nice to get similar features across the family of FX cameras and pay for the form factor you want but like I said before manufactures want to play the feature game.
Doug Jensen
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Agreed! That should be a required specification.
BTW, I don't even like the name of the FX30. In Sony parlance, "FX" is supposed to mean Full Frame and "FS" is suppsed to mean Super35. The FX30 has a S35 sensor, therefore it should be the FS-30. I've written my congressman about it.
Peter C.
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They also don't have a consistent number methodology. Does a higher number indicate a higher end model fx3 -> fx6 -> fx9 Yes fx30 huh? Then you have Alpha line the A7 then it jumps to the A1 as the top so how are they ever going to top the A1 the A0 then the A negative 1, etc?
ahalpert
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the FX30 is on sale for $200 off. such a relatively large discount on such a new and supposedly popular camera would support the theory that an improved replacement is coming soon... the FX30 with an internal ND filter... for let's say $2500... it could happen. I still wouldn't buy one. but I'd buy a full-frame version with internal ND filter
If rumor sites are onto anything; starting to feel like November will be great time to finally make the move to e-mount. An A9III for stills/occasional video + FX3II w internal ND (to follow not far after) would suit me really well I think.
Going to keep all my L mount gear regardless, maybe even to use on a gimbal with Lidar. Could see getting a future BM box camera in the future for that glass too..but Sony has the full ecosystem, just ticks all the boxes and is bound to stay leading wherever cameras go in the future.
scorsesefan
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Do you think so, Abe? The fx30 is the newest of their cinema cameras. My money is on an fx9II or fx6II,,,
NorBro
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It's difficult to predict because B&H drops prices on new and old cameras all the time (besides a few models, or at least rarely).
So it's like...if the FX30 really is that hot and it's already so cheap, why would they drop $200 and also provide you a bit more via mail-in on top of that? Maybe a new camera, yeah.
But you just never know because maybe it's not moving as well as one would think, especially with the new very popular Sony a6700 (it's a #1 seller vs. a top seller and photographers are a big part of these sales compared to a dedicated video tool) and also the two new full-frame a7Cs (R and II).
So it's like...if the FX30 really is that hot and it's already so cheap, why would they drop $200 and also provide you a bit more via mail-in on top of that? Maybe a new camera, yeah.
But you just never know because maybe it's not moving as well as one would think, especially with the new very popular Sony a6700 (it's a #1 seller vs. a top seller and photographers are a big part of these sales compared to a dedicated video tool) and also the two new full-frame a7Cs (R and II).
ahalpert
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I certainly wouldn't have expected it. But I think it's unusual to give an 11% discount on a new camera that's selling well. Seems like the sort of thing you do to clear stock before you devalue it. I mean, I don't think the price of the a7siii or fx3 have budged since they've been released. Certainly not by 11%. And you said you heard an FX camera was coming with eND and IBIS. I sort of doubt they'll put IBIS in the new FX9 or FX6 but that could be wrong.
I see NorBro saying that B&H discounts cameras often. This is a universal discount. So it's coming from Sony.
An FX30 with ND at $2500 would be direct competition for BM's Pocket 6K pro. And maybe if they do the full-frame version later they get people to buy twice.