New Cinema EOS camera announcement

I know there aren't any stone cold specs but what do you guys think the probability of 60fps being on this camera are?
 
Wolfenbarg said:
At full 1080p? Not likely.
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Cameras that comply to broadcast specs don't usually have 60fps at 1080. But cameras that aren't meant for broadcast TV or are somehow more cinema oriented should have more than 25/30fps in 1080 or at 2k IMHO. So if this new Canon is really going to be "cinema" oriented I don't see how it couldn't have more than 25/30fps at high resolutions. This is one of the factors that in my opinion discerns the digital cinema cameras aimed at film making (for example red scarlet) from the ones aimed at broadcast (C300). It's silly actually how much we have to growl to get more than 30p at high resolutions at this so called digital cinema cameras.
 
Even if it was at 720p I would be satisfied. Just need an option for overcranking. Also is this supposed to be a low light beast in the same realm of at least a 5D Mark III?
 
If Canon release a smaller slightly less functional fixed lens C300 sibling that cover all the Internet AND theater movie specs,at around $5K-$7K that would be the sweet spot that we're discussing here. I just hate the "DSLR" form factor for film making.
 
Zephyrnoid said:
If Canon release a smaller slightly less functional fixed lens C300 sibling that cover all the Internet AND theater movie specs,at around $5K-$7K that would be the sweet spot that we're discussing here. I just hate the "DSLR" form factor for film making.
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Why would you want a fixed lens with a S35 sensor? One lens CANNOT cover all things cinematic. Seems like a step back to me, and more expensive on their part. If it were fixed lens, there would be expectations of autofocus, electronic zoom, etc.
 
There's like 0 chance Canon will go with a fixed lens cine camera. I'm expecting 1DX or MKIII form factor, full frame version of the C300 sensor, high bit-rate m-jpeg codec superior to the C300, and a 5-8k price tag. Without all the pro video bells and whistles of the C300. Thunderbolt port and XQD media are a possibility. I doubt it will record RAW video but Canon does have a RAW video patent so who knows? 1080p 60p is on my wish list.
 
This announcement is for an EOS camera, it will likely be an EOS form factor, using EF lenses. And since they're stressing "Cinema" and not "video" you can guess that it will be full frame, no genlock, no XLR audio, no viewfinder, no focus aids or waveforms. The big question is how this is going to differ from the mkIII.

My guess is it will be similar to the mkIII with some of the still stuff disabled and perhaps some new thing like HDR cine (?). I'm also guessing that since it will not be a stills camera the 24MP sensor will be gone, perhaps using 2K sensor instead. Whatever it is I'm sure some people will be thrilled and some will complain bitterly. Canon stumbled into a whole new market with the mkII. To the progress-hungry gear-heads it looks like they have been ignoring this new market, even with the mkIII release on tap. I'm guessing this release will put them close to par with Red/Scarlett or anyone else for those who do narrative work.

I just don't understand how they could have released the c300, aimed at the video/broadcast/doco/event world without a simple auto exposure mode. Autofocus I get, that's in the lens as much as the camera, but it's probably a $10 circuit to put auto exposure/gain (a la the FS100) in the camera. That's my gripe for the day. I would have bought one already if they had just put this in, but now I'm going to sit on the fence and see what else comes along.
 
stevedocmaker said:
This announcement is for an EOS camera, it will likely be an EOS form factor, using EF lenses. And since they're stressing "Cinema" and not "video" you can guess that it will be full frame, no genlock, no XLR audio, no viewfinder, no focus aids or waveforms. The big question is how this is going to differ from the mkIII.

My guess is it will be similar to the mkIII with some of the still stuff disabled and perhaps some new thing like HDR cine (?). I'm also guessing that since it will not be a stills camera the 24MP sensor will be gone, perhaps using 2K sensor instead. Whatever it is I'm sure some people will be thrilled and some will complain bitterly. Canon stumbled into a whole new market with the mkII. To the progress-hungry gear-heads it looks like they have been ignoring this new market, even with the mkIII release on tap. I'm guessing this release will put them close to par with Red/Scarlett or anyone else for those who do narrative work.

I just don't understand how they could have released the c300, aimed at the video/broadcast/doco/event world without a simple auto exposure mode. Autofocus I get, that's in the lens as much as the camera, but it's probably a $10 circuit to put auto exposure/gain (a la the FS100) in the camera. That's my gripe for the day. I would have bought one already if they had just put this in, but now I'm going to sit on the fence and see what else comes along.
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Thats just you I think mate. I don't think many here trust or use auto exposure, I literally never shoot auto exposure, even on run and gun/docu work.
 
I think Canon will use a sensor that crops to 4kHD 8-megapixel S35 size for video so no scaling binning or line skipping is required. Shoot JPEG2000 wavelet compressed 4k.

Edit: Canon would probably stick with the AVC codec. It supports up to 14 bit 4:4:4 4096 x 2304 16:9. (at 300 Megabits/sec)
 
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I recall Canon saying full 35mm frame at 1080p H264 (Using the 91 mbps I-Frame codec?) and "H"-crop 4k MJPEG. However, that was back in November, so0 things may have changed already, and may change still between now and announcement.

Downsample the 4k (Likely 3840x2160) to 1080p and you would have clean 4:4:4
 
Been lurking here for a while now...
I understand that this new camera is likely to have the DSLR form factor, but considering it will be in the Cinema EOS line, and the C300 has it, do you think there will be both an EF and a PL mount version?
Or perhaps an interchangeable mount?
I would suspect that since it's meant to be a Cinema camera, there would be no real need for a mirror. So I'm just speculating here, but do you think it is possible that they would have a mount like the F3 of FS100, with a small flange distance, then offer the PL and EF mounts separately?

Just my thoughts...
 
... or at least no mirror, phase-detect AF, pentaprism, and OVF, to save cost and maybe leave room for in-camera ND filters
 
I know still shooters love them, but mirror reflex systems are an anachronism on a digital camera. They are rapidly becoming obsolete with the latest gen small high resolution OLED screens and an EVF gives a more useful indication of what the sensor actually sees.
 
I think that if Canon are going to introduce an EVF at all then it will be on the C-DSLR. You won't see then on "mainstream" DSLRs until Canon have proven (To Pro shooters) that they are a viable alternative.

IF Canon are using a 1D body as the basis for this camera then I would expect it to be EF only, afterall they are making EF mount cine glass. And if they are using a 1D sixe body then there may well be room for XLRs, SDI out etc on the bottom bit
 
I would highly doubt that they would throw in SDI considering they are likely to have at least some separation between this and the C300, especially if there's still a chance that it records 4K resolution. Perhaps they might have a single XLR input, but I don't think there will be much improvement in the sound department. The way most people (myself included) have judged the C300, it's most definitely a broadcast camera. I think that's why it has a proper sound module like the small chip cameras (not unlike the XF305). However, considering this is a "Cinema" DSLR, there's definitely a chance that they'll use "cinema use" as an excuse for shoddy audio inputs and control.

But even if it is a 1D body, nothing stops them from providing a PL mount. If this is really supposed to be a "cinema" camera, surely they need to provide PL mount option for a wider market base. I do understand that the target market is quite likely the 5D shooter who couldn't afford the C300, but even then, the market for other potential users (like myself) who want to use PL glass would be huge. Considering the range of cheaper PL glass out there (even if we look at RED Pro Zooms, such as the 17-50 which as far as I know, has very positive reviews) there is no reason not to provide that option. I understand that Canon has come out with Cinema glass as well, but considering the incredibly hefty price tag, they're alienating a potentially large portion of the market, that has a small (or larger) range of PL glass, but would prefer the features of this upcoming camera to the C300.

I know that I personally would prefer the Cinema DSLR with a small PL zoom like the 17-50, since I'd be able to put together a great camera package for almost the same price as a C300 PL body (assuming the rumoured price of $7k-8k is relatively accurate).

Let's see what happens on the 15th. Either way, I'm excited.
 
I see no reason for Canon to put an Arri PL mount into their dslr.

The future is to bring electronics into cine lenses (AF confirm to start with).
Canon EF mount is great for this. Canon is well poised to make it happen.
 
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