New cams! 1080p60! Panasonic HDC-HS700 & HDC-TM700
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OK, it appears that the IRIS of M700 / HS700 works just like the HMC150 but only when you are at 0 dB gain. So when the Gain is 0, you can set your aperture to F 4.0 while the zoom is at the widest setting, and then zoom through the entire optical zoom range with the exposure locked. This is great...
But how can you set the Gain to higher than 0 dB when the IRIS is NOT set to OPEN ?
I want to set the db Gain independantly of the IRIS setting.
But how can you set the Gain to higher than 0 dB when the IRIS is NOT set to OPEN ?
I want to set the db Gain independantly of the IRIS setting.
joe1946
Veteran
...Unfortunately neither of these controls are any use, as there appears to be no way to turn the Gain on until the aperture is wide open, which means that the F-stop will change by more than one stop during the full zoom range.
This means you have to either live with bad exposure during part of your zoom shots, or never use the Gain, which is a huge drag. I like to shoot in low light, and I want to be able to set the Gain level when the lens is not set to wide open.
Sean Michael
Well-known member
Has anyone used the TM700 with 64-bit Windows 7? I'm having problems with the 60P files crashing Sony Vegas Pro 8 on my 64-bit Core i7 machine. Whenever I render, Vegas crashes or hangs -- every time.
But the 60P files edit & render fine (albeit slowly) on my older Core 2 laptop running 32-bit Win 7.
But the 60P files edit & render fine (albeit slowly) on my older Core 2 laptop running 32-bit Win 7.
Seems ok in Vegas 9, so far.. I haven't had the TM700 long. I did find a similar problem with the Sanyo FH1 and 1080/60p MP4 files in Vegas 9. Apparently, the FH1 creates slightly invalid MP4 files... could be the negative timecodes it writes, could just be some disagreement with Vegas. Anyway, I was able to re-mux the MP4 file, using YAMB, and Vegas always handled it without crash, Vegas Pro 9 anyway.
However, the Sanyo files were not always evil, just usually. I haven't had enough time on the TM700 to know if there's some change it's producing a file that Vegas finds evil. But so far, so good.
The spec you reference is the official part of ATSC for including AVC. But it's not used for conventional broadcast, it's a newer thing... it was only added two years ago. Existing ATSC decoders only handle MPEG-2.
This is basically a way to leverage the ATSC infrastructure into private agreements, like cable and satellite. Both major US DBS systems have been AVC-based. And even these systems are unlikely to actually support AVC at 1080/60p at the moment.
More expensive camera models haven't supported this yet, largely because it's not all that important in a professional workflow. The main use is to allow you to shoot in one format and render properly to several others... for example, target 1080/60i for Blu-Ray and 720/30p for online, or leave the choice between 1080/60i and 720/60p until editing. There is no consumer deliver format that supports 1080/60p.
To the folks who have already bought this cam:
1. Hows the low-light? If you've used a PD170/VX2100 before, how does it compare?
2. Any skew/jello/alliasing/mud issues, similar to what we get from DSLRs?
3. How long does it take you to convert from 60p to prores 422HQ? Is it faster than real time?
4. Have you tried a 35mm adapter on it?
rgds/ RandyQ
1. Hows the low-light? If you've used a PD170/VX2100 before, how does it compare?
2. Any skew/jello/alliasing/mud issues, similar to what we get from DSLRs?
3. How long does it take you to convert from 60p to prores 422HQ? Is it faster than real time?
4. Have you tried a 35mm adapter on it?
rgds/ RandyQ
glenurse666
Member
i am completely new to HD and tapeless filming
i want to shoot in the best resolution possible but it chokes my mac more than ive ever seen when i try to edit
i have a core 2 duo imac with 4 gigs of ram, upgrading my editing system is out of the question at this point.
i want to edit my panny footage with fcp, the version i have is fcp 5.
right now my output mostly consists of posting in hd on youtube.
can i shoot at 1080/60p (to archive for the future when i get a system / solution that works with it) and then convert it to something my lowly mac accept easily without grounding to a halt ?
i read i can convert it to 720p ? , what do i use to do that ?
i am looking for a preferably free solution and something that does not take all night to convert a few clips, any advice taken greatfully.
ive read a ton of threads but im totally lost, i just want to shoot, edit and post
with as few hoop jumping as possible
ive asked this question on avs forum also but so far no dice
i want to shoot in the best resolution possible but it chokes my mac more than ive ever seen when i try to edit
i have a core 2 duo imac with 4 gigs of ram, upgrading my editing system is out of the question at this point.
i want to edit my panny footage with fcp, the version i have is fcp 5.
right now my output mostly consists of posting in hd on youtube.
can i shoot at 1080/60p (to archive for the future when i get a system / solution that works with it) and then convert it to something my lowly mac accept easily without grounding to a halt ?
i read i can convert it to 720p ? , what do i use to do that ?
i am looking for a preferably free solution and something that does not take all night to convert a few clips, any advice taken greatfully.
ive read a ton of threads but im totally lost, i just want to shoot, edit and post
with as few hoop jumping as possible
ive asked this question on avs forum also but so far no dice
Somewhat disturbing actually...
Just bought one of these as a bcam form my HMC150. Testing really. I was looking for some sort of higher end consumer cam and noticed these in the store. I told the guy what I was looking for abd that I was leery about matching footage etc, so he said to try it out and return it within 14 days if it wasnlt what I needed.
So I will be using it this weekend. Didn't see it was 108060P until I opened the box. lol
Like tat it has a focus ring. Not liking how the iris is controlled. I haven;t read the manual right so maybe there is more than one way to control it. Wish they had a litrtle iris wheel.
I do know something already. I hate touch screens.
But I love the LCD. I would love to have that on my HMC150!
Anyone using this cam as a b-cam paired with a hmc150? What do you think?
So I will be using it this weekend. Didn't see it was 108060P until I opened the box. lol
Like tat it has a focus ring. Not liking how the iris is controlled. I haven;t read the manual right so maybe there is more than one way to control it. Wish they had a litrtle iris wheel.
I do know something already. I hate touch screens.
But I love the LCD. I would love to have that on my HMC150!
Anyone using this cam as a b-cam paired with a hmc150? What do you think?
The lens ring turns into an iris wheel using the Camera Function button.
It appears gain is only added past a fully open iris.
It appears gain is only added past a fully open iris.
I see that now. Read some of the manual. Bit irritating when you have to switch in a hurry.
Quite impressed with the auto modes. Consumer cams have come a long way. Though kinda full circle since I remember my parents hand a shoulder mounted sony 8mm video cam in the mid 80's that have full manual everything.
joe1946
Veteran
1080p60 action at night
1080p60 action at night
1080p60 action at night
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Florin Andrei
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1080p60, almost 1000 lines resolution, under $1k - wow!
Okay, I downloaded several TM700 1080p60 files from the Internet and uploaded them to my file server at home. Then I played them on the PS3.
The fileserver is a UPnP server (Mediatomb on Linux if that makes a difference), the PS3 is of course a UPnP client, nothing unusual here. That's how I play all my MP3s, JPEGs, and video files (old SVCD-quality MPEG2, more recent DVD-quality MPEG2, recent 1080i60 AVCHD files from a Canon HF100). Everything works great.
The 1080p60 files, however, are not played very well. The motion is not fluid, it looks like the video stream is stumbling, the audio makes pops and clicks. It looks almost like a video player overwhelmed by the resolution or the bitrate.
The network is not the cause. I've a Gigabit Ethernet switch between the server and the PS3. The video bitrate is something like 30 Mb/s, which is not even close to 1000 Mb/s.
What's going on here? Anybody else able to serve these files over the network to the PS3?
(I'll try to upload the files to the PS3's hard drive, maybe that makes a difference.)
Okay, I downloaded several TM700 1080p60 files from the Internet and uploaded them to my file server at home. Then I played them on the PS3.
The fileserver is a UPnP server (Mediatomb on Linux if that makes a difference), the PS3 is of course a UPnP client, nothing unusual here. That's how I play all my MP3s, JPEGs, and video files (old SVCD-quality MPEG2, more recent DVD-quality MPEG2, recent 1080i60 AVCHD files from a Canon HF100). Everything works great.
The 1080p60 files, however, are not played very well. The motion is not fluid, it looks like the video stream is stumbling, the audio makes pops and clicks. It looks almost like a video player overwhelmed by the resolution or the bitrate.
The network is not the cause. I've a Gigabit Ethernet switch between the server and the PS3. The video bitrate is something like 30 Mb/s, which is not even close to 1000 Mb/s.
What's going on here? Anybody else able to serve these files over the network to the PS3?
(I'll try to upload the files to the PS3's hard drive, maybe that makes a difference.)
joe1946
Veteran
You have to change the audio settings on the PS3 while the video is playing. Bring up the on screen settings and play around with them until it works ok. I put my 1080p60 videos on an extra SDHC card in a folder named VIDEO and stick it into the SDHC slot on my PS3. But I play the 1080p60 videos in Windows 7 Media Center on my Mac most of the time.
Camera Expert
Well-known member
I think it probably would play better inside the PS3 rather than streaming the 1080 60p content.
One thing to realize is that the picture adjustments takes up a lot of the PS3's resources I believe so it's best to disable all of them. Just about everybody have issues with the files with those settings enabled. Also for some people, the latest firmware may have issues with the playback so if your one of those peoples, try stopping the playback and play again. You can also try pausing it.
One thing to realize is that the picture adjustments takes up a lot of the PS3's resources I believe so it's best to disable all of them. Just about everybody have issues with the files with those settings enabled. Also for some people, the latest firmware may have issues with the playback so if your one of those peoples, try stopping the playback and play again. You can also try pausing it.
John Godden
Well-known member
FWIW, the still image quality on the TM700 is VERY good. :smile:
Florin Andrei
New member
Okay, more testing.
I downloaded the 1080p60 video to the PS3's drive and played it locally. It makes no difference at all. It's still stuttery.
When the video is playing in a thumbnail (when you navigate to it but before you click it) it's perfectly smooth. That shows the decoder itself is perfectly capable of handling the video. Something wrong happens at a later stage. I'm not sure whether that's a good sign (something that could be fixed by a software update by Sony) or a bad sign (a more fundamental issue).
Tweaking the audio makes no sense. The only settings available on the PS3 are related to the output (as in - the hardware settings for the ports, etc). That should have no influence on how the movie is played. Even if it did, it would be just a stopgap measure.
I tried to play the same movie on my gaming PC, hooked up to the same TV, so the display is 1080p60 just like the PS3. The system is somewhat old but not antiquated (AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 5200+, GeForce 9600 GT, running the latest 257.21 nVidia driver, Win XP).
With VLC 1.1.0, it's worse than the PS3. It just shows the first frame and that's it, it stays frozen there.
With Media Player Classic Home Cinema, it's similar to the PS3 - it's smoother on the PC, but the video is slow and falls behind the audio.
As far as I'm concerned, this format is unplayable.
I downloaded the 1080p60 video to the PS3's drive and played it locally. It makes no difference at all. It's still stuttery.
When the video is playing in a thumbnail (when you navigate to it but before you click it) it's perfectly smooth. That shows the decoder itself is perfectly capable of handling the video. Something wrong happens at a later stage. I'm not sure whether that's a good sign (something that could be fixed by a software update by Sony) or a bad sign (a more fundamental issue).
Tweaking the audio makes no sense. The only settings available on the PS3 are related to the output (as in - the hardware settings for the ports, etc). That should have no influence on how the movie is played. Even if it did, it would be just a stopgap measure.
I tried to play the same movie on my gaming PC, hooked up to the same TV, so the display is 1080p60 just like the PS3. The system is somewhat old but not antiquated (AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 5200+, GeForce 9600 GT, running the latest 257.21 nVidia driver, Win XP).
With VLC 1.1.0, it's worse than the PS3. It just shows the first frame and that's it, it stays frozen there.
With Media Player Classic Home Cinema, it's similar to the PS3 - it's smoother on the PC, but the video is slow and falls behind the audio.
As far as I'm concerned, this format is unplayable.