New cams! 1080p60! Panasonic HDC-HS700 & HDC-TM700

ATL Media Group said:
On the NXCam Mpeg2 SD is recorded on the same card but in a different folder.
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Right, found it in the manual. MPEG-2 files are stored in the \MP_ROOT directory, in subdirectories named like 101PNV01, 102PNV01, 103PNV01, etc. Each subdirectory can hold at most 9999 files, when it reaches maximum capacity a new directory is created. I suppose, a new directory is also created for a different date.

Also interesting, that Sony uses \private\avchd\... for SD cards, but \avchd\... for MS cards and for the FMU. Maybe \private is a Panasonic thing? But Canon uses \private too.
 
John Godden said:
"looking good louis ........................ feeling good billy ray"

:happy: ===> 60P goodness!
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EDIT: OK, I ordered the HDC-TM700 direct from Panasonic this morning. Looks like they are holding back delivering these cams to their retailers for now. hahahahaha, I guess this is the smart way to squeeze some additional profit out of these cams. I say, good for them................... as long as the camera "delivers" the goods! We'll see................. ???

cheers
JohnG
 
Do Panasonic's HDC series have an LCD where you can flip the image for non-flipped 35mm adapter use?
 
dadoboy said:
Do Panasonic's HDC series have an LCD where you can flip the image for non-flipped 35mm adapter use?
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NO mention of image flip in ANY review so I would think it HIGHLY unlikely to have that functionality.

Comment: IMO, DSLR's will pretty much kill off the adapter market. Running for cover.....................
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I've ordered an HDC-TM700 from Panasonic also. It should arrive early this week. More updates as events warrant... ;-)
 
John Godden said:
Comment: IMO, DSLR's will pretty much kill off the adapter market. Running for cover.....................
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Not true. Some people don't like the DSLRs and still have to get the money to get one. It's not $3000, but I'm still having trouble saving for an HG10 which goes for about $300 now. Seems like everytime I have the cash something comes up. But I can get an adapter for about $100-$150 and make out alive for about $500 (spent over time), versus buying a DSLR. I come out with a solid image, dedicated mic and headphone jacks and 24p.

-Nate
 
John Godden said:
NO mention of image flip in ANY review so I would think it HIGHLY unlikely to have that functionality.

Comment: IMO, DSLR's will pretty much kill off the adapter market. Running for cover.....................
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maybe the lowend adapters... but not the higher ends like redrock encore, sgblade, brevis or letus
 
Sean Michael said:
The HDC-TM700 has been reviewed by camcorderinfo.com.

The camera "has blown everything else out of the water in terms of video performance"...
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I've learend the camera has full audio controls. Good to know. I was surprised, that low light was worse than with the last years model. I suppose the advanced noise reduction of the HDC-TM700 comes to shine when using gain. I would have loved to see some gain comparision. At least some test clips on YouTube look promising. (no specific clip, but many examples with auto gain. The clips still look clean with the gain pumping its way upwards)
 
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Sean Michael said:
The HDC-TM700 has been reviewed by camcorderinfo.com.

The camera "has blown everything else out of the water in terms of video performance"...

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Panasonic-HDC-TM700-Camcorder-Review-37681.htm
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Thanks for giving us the 'heads-up' on that full review. Looks GREAT!

I also noted that the underside tripod mount is slightly offset (toward the LCD side) so as to properly balance the cam on a steadycam mount. woot............ Pani really thought this out!

cheers
JohnG
 
I noticed the review states:

"The problem is, if you want to edit or import the video to your computer your only choice is to use the limited software that ships with the camcorder."

As I recall, there was a mts file posted here or a link to a file (00046.mts) earlier that shows trees and a downward pan to a pond that was shot in the 1080/60p mode.

I was able to open and transcode it using ClipWrap2 on a Mac.

Wasn't that mts file derived at 60p?

I think the link is this one:

http://www.hdtv.com.pl/forum/pansonic/49517-nowe-kamery-panasonica-hdc-sd700-tm700-hs700-2.html

and the 00046.mts file states 28 MB/s
 
David, CCInfo makes crappy reviews. The best part of their review is the resolution chart and a sorta low light test. Everything else is not worth reading. One will be better off reading the operation instructions and official advertising materials.

I opened 60p files in Vegas 8 with no problems, and CoreAVC has no problems playing them.

Though professional products are not updated as often as consumer ones, it would be nice if the HMC40 or its successor were updated with better lens, sensors and 60p mode. A larger higher resolution LCD screen is a must.

1000 lines horizontally, 900 lines vertically. If the HF11 was comparable with the EX resolution-wise, how about the TM700? Yay!
 
I agree, because I've located a couple of other forum threads that indicate native use in a bunch of programs.

I would love to see comparisons between the 40 and this cam.
 
A couple of notes:
First of all the downloaded files were hard to transcode and most of pro NLE (Avid and FCP- these two are industry standards) don't even support 1080/60p! I don't get it- why not just make 720/60p and 1080/30p/24p? I tried Cineform Neo and transcoded filed made my FCP crash every time. Subsequently I used Toast and I was able to transcode it into 720/60p ProRes HQ, which worked, but again- why such pain?
Second, a 35mm lens is not a wide angle lens, period. It is wider then standard 44mm, but wide angle would be something in 24-28mm range (like HMC150), so calling it a wide angle lens is completely inaccurate.
 
Robert, are you blaming Panasonic for Avid and FCP ineptness? Seriously, AVC is no different than MPEG-2, meaning if you can handle a codec in general and you can handle a container, then you can handle all the different resolutions and frame rates (well, there are levels and profiles, but a good device or software must handle these too, after all, they are part of the spec).

For example, while an old Vegas Studio (not an HD version) officially did not support HD, it did support MPEG-2, and I was able to load HDV footage into it, then I selected "set project properties to clip properties" and voila, I had HD timeline in a $60 SD-only NLE! Why? Because MPEG-2 support has been implemented correctly. Same with AVC. Vegas knows MPEG TS container and it knows AVC codec, so loading and displaying 60p is no problem.

In short, if Avid and FCP need to explicitly support each and every resolution and frame rate, then their developers suck. I don't care about Avid, but I thought better about Apple.
 
Cranky, it isn't so. It's a system, camera by itself doesn't mean squat. There are certain standards industry goes by and the revisions of these systems are not so frequent. If a network buys 500 cameras they want to use them for several years, the same goes for editing stations. Avid and FCP are still golden standards for broadcast and film, whether we like it or not. I assume to re-write a code for FCP or Avid would take a huge task of manpower and time just to accommodate a handful of consumer cameras?
Still the driving engine in broadcast is P2 and XDCAM, both MPEG-2 codecs and I am certain it will be a while before any AVCHD will be widely accepted and source of acquisition.
Not that I like it, but it is what it is and manufacturers should recognize it and work within set parameters, not trying to make our existence more difficult.
I think having a choice of 1080/30/24p and 720/60p native would have made a whole lot of sense for the market as it is at the moment.
Mind you that 99% of content created by such cameras will end up on web, 720/60 is more then enough for extremely high quality of footage, without a need to jump through hoops to edit it and output.
 
robertrogoz said:
It's a system, camera by itself doesn't mean squat. There are certain standards industry goes by and the revisions of these systems are not so frequent. If a network buys 500 cameras they want to use them for several years, the same goes for editing stations.
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Has not video become IT? Video clips are files. Editing stations are off-the-shelf computers with readily available software. There are clearly defined specs on codecs, containers and other related stuff. If a software vendor chooses to implement a codec/container/format, it should do it at its fullest capability. Whether Avid is a golden standard or not, its developers are either lazy or deliberately hold off to support as many standards as possible to charge for every small upgrade.

robertrogoz said:
manufacturers should recognize it and work within set parameters, not trying to make our existence more difficult.
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These new Panasonic cams are consumer ones, not professional. They are supported by some consumer NLEs already. If I am not mistaken, Vegas 8 was released more than 2 years ago. It works just fine. I don't see why professionals who have "certain standards" should care about these cameras at all. Panasonic makes the HMC40 for pros, with 720p60 and without 1080p60.
 
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