New cams! 1080p60! Panasonic HDC-HS700 & HDC-TM700

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The HMC40 is a bit sharper and more detailed than the HMC150 so I don't understand what you're trying to say. In theory the TM700 at 1080 60p should be sharper than the HMC150 at 720 60p. Still, if your final solution will be 720 60p, it would have been better to start with 720 60p.

I'm not sure I'd agree with the notion that Blu-Ray is too expansive for a small business. I mean most burners cost under $300 and some cost under $200. Blu-Ray media can cost under $3 a piece when bought in a pack and their are a whole lot of people with PS3 game systems.
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I am not going to argue about "sharpness" or detail level of these cameras. Larger cams produce more natural colors and less fake look, much more pleasing then any small camera. Like a little point-shoot can't match DSLR (I know since I own D300 and LX3).

With BD is not the cost of media, but the licensing fees, which you have to pay or you are braking the law.
http://netblender.com/main/resources/wikipapers/aacs-for-independent-producers/
Even if you film weddings you have to purchase a license, no way around it. And if you don't you might get sued.
 
bummer..........

bummer..........

New statement on BH site......... it previously had March for the delivery.

  • Approx. Arrival April
  • Important Notice!
  • Estimated Availability - April
 
Yes, I downloaded the file, converted it with Cineform, but it makes my FCP6 crash all the time! I am trying to use Toast and convert it to Prores HQ 60fps.
An update, I have to convert the footage to 720x1280 60p, since 1080 Prores doesn't support 60p. The conversion is quite long, the converted 1080/60p played like **** on my Macbook Pro with 4Gig RAM!
 
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robertrogoz said:
With BD is not the cost of media, but the licensing fees, which you have to pay or you are braking the law.
http://netblender.com/main/resources/wikipapers/aacs-for-independent-producers/
Even if you film weddings you have to purchase a license, no way around it. And if you don't you might get sued.
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This is not quite true as this only applies to replicated not duplicated disc . So if you burn a BD-R/RE and do not use the Bluray Logo this does not apply. http://www.recipe4dvd.com/component...nse-fees-UPDATE-AACS-and-BDA.html/Itemid,282/

Ron Evans
 
Ron, I think this article is a bit of a hog-wash. I contacted an attorney last year about BD licensing and this article skews the law quite significantly. I am not going to elaborate here, as this doesn't belong in this thread and I don't want to hijack it, but it is highly dubious by not specifying what "small quantities" are.
Plus good luck selling anything burned on your computer.
 
robertrogoz said:
I am not going to argue about "sharpness" or detail level of these cameras. Larger cams produce more natural colors and less fake look, much more pleasing then any small camera. Like a little point-shoot can't match DSLR (I know since I own D300 and LX3).

With BD is not the cost of media, but the licensing fees, which you have to pay or you are braking the law.
http://netblender.com/main/resources/wikipapers/aacs-for-independent-producers/
Even if you film weddings you have to purchase a license, no way around it. And if you don't you might get sued.
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You don't need that type of licence for a few copies on BD-R of a wedding (you cannot use the Blu-Ray Logo etc.). If you're replicating disks for sale in retail etc. that's a different story.
 
Coming up.. I just tested the clips from this post at the AVS forum:

"Here are some videos straight off the TM700 at the original 1080/60p by Mrpenpengusa.

Cat on Ginza St sign, 4th district:
http://firestorage.jp/download/b802c...4192c5e12b4b98 "



The 1080/60P clips play and edit flawlessly in Edius Neo 2.5 (and soon Edius 5.5 due out in a few weeks).. They look great btw...
Anyway, I'll post the edit video in a few showing that clip edited natively in Edius if you like.
 
Sean Michael said:
Also, the PAL version has been reviewed by "TrustedReviews.com"

http://www.trustedreviews.com/video/Panasonic-HDC-TM700
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I don't get why he posts low-res videos on his own site instead of posting HD videos on YouTube. Even 480p YouTube videos look better than his stuff. They say one should not judge HD video quality based on YouTube videos, but his are much worse. He says "amazing videos" and all you see is color splotches.
 
Very impressive signal to noise ratio there. Yeah, I agree, if it had 24p native, it would totally rock.
 
I'm looking between this and the new Canon being released. I want a small compact cam to take with me to placed a larger cam would be impractical and shoot behind the scenes and random stuff here and there. Most of what I shoot is 24p so the native 24p on the Canon looks really attractive. Then again if I need to transcode to prores first anyway, does it reallt matter? Oh the choices...
 
Help me out in understanding what codec is used to captured at 1080/60p. It isn't AVCHD because that is beyond the spec, so it must be h.264.

Is that correct?
 
AVCHD is not a codec, it is the whole shebang, including specific profiles, levels, bitrates, frame sizes, scanning types plus stream type/packaging, directory structure, naming, metadata, etc. AVCHD uses AVC also known as H.264 also known as MPEG-4 Part 10.

50p/60p modes use the same codec, and store A/V into the same container, which is MPEG transport stream. I downloaded raw files, which had M2TS extension. I am not sure were these files renamed after they have been transferred from a camera, or were they recorded as M2TS instead of MTS. Besides M2TS/MTS extension difference, the content of these files is identical in structure, same MPEG TS as for AVCHD.

My only question at this point is where exactly these files are written to. They cannot be written to private/avchd/bdmv/stream, because this is a directory for AVCHD-compliant files only. So, are they written to some other directory on the root level? I wonder what is Sony's approach to this problem in its NXCAM, as it allows recording MPEG-2 SD, which is not AVCHD compliant. If I remember correctly, NXCAM does not allow HD and SD on the same card, but I might be mistaken. HDD-based consumer Sony cams obviously allow HD and SD on the same drive.

Bottom line: Vegas 8, CoreAVC and built-in Windows 7 driver have absolutely no problems with 50p/60p files.

I expect AVCHD spec to be enhanced to include 1080-line 50p/60p modes. If Sony will not be willing to do that, then I expect Panasonic to include these modes into AVCCAM, making it not just a marketing term for Pana pro camcorders but a real spec.

Here is what Sony says:

What is the AVCHD format? -- The AVCHD format is a high definition digital video camera format used to record a high definition (HD) signal, using efficient data compression coding technology. The MPEG-4 AVC/H.264 format is adopted to compress video data, and the Dolby Digital or Linear PCM system is used to compress audio data.
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