New Camera Release at NAB

[john deaver]

Looks as though they already have the sensors for a sub-hmc150

This is there little bullet cam with separate recorder

http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wc...9035545248&surfModel=Content02112009035545248

or to quote

3rd paragraph....
Designed for use with the HMR10 recorder, the small HCK10 camera head features three 1/4” native HD resolution 3-MOS imagers. Iris, focus, zoom control and power are supplied from the HMR10 recorder. Cables connecting the camera to recorder will be available in lengths up to 10 meters.

 

[dcloud]

i see...
that means the recorder can be upgraded to dvcpro or avc intra...
then the head can also be replaced with a different sensor. in the future. intersting idea

 

[David Saraceno]

CMOS = rolling shutter

 

[scapsinger]

The one advante I could see would be to shoot with smaller cards

yeah, that's the thing...it would be nice to only buy 8 GB cards, and just never reuse them. Save them, never overwrite, just store them in a safe (like tapes, but teeeeny tiny). you'd need dual slots though, just to make it work out.

Of course, there's the possibility of dual writing to the two slots as a fail safe, but this media nowadays is generally pretty robust, there's not much need for that kind of redundancy.

Well, unless you've got a good card and a bad card, and you just want to play a bloodless Russian roulette with your HMC.

 

[JBH]

What would be awesome would be a version with the same body, but no XLR, and perhaps fewer customization options. That would be kind of like the VX's compared to the PD's on Sony's DV lineup. I would guess that would make the price come out to about $2400. That would be sweet.

Also, I do think that CCD's are on their way out. Even Panny came out with a 2/3" CMOS Pro HD cam recently, so I think it is safe to assume that CMOS is the future. But, by the time I'll need to replace my 150's the rolling shutter issues will have been ironed out.

The Scarlet will have a much faster 'read/refresh rate' that will virtually eliminate the rolling shutter issue. In fact, even film cameras have rolling shutters (the film gate literally rolls past the frame in a circular path, exposing it from top to bottom). The difference between that and CMOS is that it happens fast enough that we don't notice the slight distortions. Once they speed things up electronically, we'll see ads for CMOS cams that read something like "Advanced CMOS chips that eliminate the 'rolling shutter' artifacts produced by earlier models."

Until then, I'll be enjoying good 'ol CCD's on my 150's.

 

[Barry_Green]

Also, I do think that CCD's are on their way out. Even Panny came out with a 2/3" CMOS Pro HD cam recently

No, it was a 1/3". In 2/3" all the major manufacturers are using primarily (if not exclusively) CCD. I believe that all Panasonic and Sony 2/3" cameras (and larger) are all CCD.

so I think it is safe to assume that CMOS is the future.

For small chips, probably. But not for bigger chips, at least yet.

But, by the time I'll need to replace my 150's the rolling shutter issues will have been ironed out.

Let's hope!

The Scarlet will have a much faster 'read/refresh rate' that will virtually eliminate the rolling shutter issue.

That is optimistic. We'll see. I would very much like this to be the case.

In fact, even film cameras have rolling shutters

Not the same at all. In film the camera exposes the entire frame for a large portion of the exposure time; in the rolling shutter the entire frame is never exposed for the whole time. The only way you could say that film and a rolling shutter would be similar is if you used an extremely tiny shutter angle, I guess.

 

[JBH]

No, it was a 1/3". In 2/3" all the major manufacturers are using primarily (if not exclusively) CCD. I believe that all Panasonic and Sony 2/3" cameras (and larger) are all CCD.

You're right. The HPX300 has 1/3" chips.

That is optimistic. We'll see. I would very much like this to be the case.

Jim Jannard explained on Red.com that the read/refresh rate will make the rolling shutter move across the frame at 90% of the speed of film shutters.

Not the same at all. In film the camera exposes the entire frame for a large portion of the exposure time; in the rolling shutter the entire frame is never exposed for the whole time. The only way you could say that film and a rolling shutter would be similar is if you used an extremely tiny shutter angle, I guess.

I see what you're saying. I was going by what Jim Jannard said on RED's site. At least for our market it does seem that all the manufacturers are going CMOS. There is even talk that Canon may announce a new XL series camcorder with a sensor similar to the 5D (and of course a price tag way bigger than the 5D). We'll probably hear something about that in the next couple of days.

I've noticed another artifact on my CMOS footage from my Canon HF11. When a flash goes off it creates wavy horizontal lines that move up the screen. The effect is strongest at first and then fades out after a few seconds.

 

[Humanoid Typhoon]

Damn you tropics folks! rogar-Evil(DBG):

haha

 

[whitecrow1]

hmm I wonder if it will be modeled after the DVC30?

I'm thinking the same thing. They modeled the DVC30 after DVX100/DVC80 as a little sister camera for those who needed a good quality camera at an affordable price...I wouldn't doubt if they were to do the same thing with an AVCCAM