New article on camcorderinfo.com

"Until Panasonic offers a DVCPRO HD camcorder that can record to an inexpensive and familiar media type, its unlikely that the company will see droves of DVX100 fans hopping onto the HVX200 bandwagon."

I wonder how he supports this statement?

Also, he constantly refers to the cam as "prosumer."

Interesting
 
Oh, and why isn't he reporting on the sound quality between all those other HDV cameras and the Panasonic?

He needs to get his head out.
 
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Originally Posted by David S.
"...like the FireStore FS-100, which has a 100GB capacity at a street price of around $700"


......that's a misprint....he meant back alley price.
 
Every time someone gives an opinion on the camera that isn't up to your liking doesn't make them a pony for another camera manufacterer.

It just means they aren't too happy with the HVX.
 
Kholi said:
Every time someone gives an opinion on the camera that isn't up to your liking doesn't make them a pony for another camera manufacterer.

It just means they aren't too happy with the HVX.
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My only problem is that these people more often than not don't know what they are talking about. Just read the other article that I've posted (Forsake the Sony HVR-Z1U for the Panasonic AG HVX200?). This guy is quite critical but his article is mostly based on facts.
 
Kholi said:
It just means they aren't too happy with the HVX.
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I know the HVX is not for everyone, but when a camera comparison article is so obviously canon-centric, (the article is even located in the "Canon" section of the website), and neglects to mention so many of the HVX's plusses: (4:2:2, film-like variable frame rates, time lapse, non-linear shot access, pre-record, loop record, durability, reuseability of P2, no more capturing tape, etc.), it's either a poorly researched article, or an article commissioned by those "not too happy with the HVX."

(Church-Lady voice): Who could that be... like, hmmmm, maybe.... Caaanon?! :evil:
 
R Gale said:
I know the HVX is not for everyone, but when a camera comparison article is so obviously canon-centric, (the article is even located in the "Canon" section of the website), and neglects to mention so many of the HVX's plusses: (4:2:2, film-like variable frame rates, time lapse, non-linear shot access, pre-record, loop record, durability, reuseability of P2, no more capturing tape, etc.), it's either a poorly researched article, or an article commissioned by those "not too happy with the HVX."

(Church-Lady voice): Who could that be... like, hmmmm, maybe.... Caaanon?! :evil:
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How often do HVX/DVX owners and advocates bash Sony's and Canon's and JVC's without mentioning their pluses?

It's no different. So the guy doesn't like the HVX's p2 method? Doesn't think the camera is widely accepted? I'm sure others would disagree but it doesn't make him a Canon lap-dog.

Seems the only Panasonic owners that aren't worried about these articles are the ones out using their cameras.
 
Personally, I've stopped reading these types of articles. A fair, side-by-side comparison is one thing (such as the Adam Wilt articles). But these types of "reviews" seem to be based on nothing except a brief look at each product's webpage. Did this guy even read the user manuals for the cameras he's talking about??

When I decided to go with the HVX, I did so having watched sample footage from each of the competing cameras, as well as reading the user manuals for each. It's amazing how many pieces of information one can gather about a product without ever using it. All it takes is a little research. Whoever wrote this article obviously didn't do much..
 
TwistedLincoln said:
Personally, I've stopped reading these types of articles. A fair, side-by-side comparison is one thing (such as the Adam Wilt articles). But these types of "reviews" seem to be based on nothing except a brief look at each product's webpage. Did this guy even read the user manuals for the cameras he's talking about??

When I decided to go with the HVX, I did so having watched sample footage from each of the competing cameras, as well as reading the user manuals for each. It's amazing how many pieces of information one can gather about a product without ever using it. All it takes is a little research. Whoever wrote this article obviously didn't do much..
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That's probably a bit more plausible. He doesn't tap on much of the Canon's attributes at all. THere's more than the Gen-Lock and the Price-Tag there.

It's just another article from a camera guy... you guys shouldn't get offended by it so easily.
 
I for one was not offended by someone not liking the cam or the p2 workflow.

My objection is to the comment, which I find without any basis whatsoever:

"Until Panasonic offers a DVCPRO HD camcorder that can record to an inexpensive and familiar media type, its unlikely that the company will see droves of DVX100 fans hopping onto the HVX200 bandwagon."
 
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David S. said:
I for one was offended by someone not liking the cam or the p2 workflow.

My objection is to the comment, which I find without any basis whatsoever:

"Until Panasonic offers a DVCPRO HD camcorder that can record to an inexpensive and familiar media type, its unlikely that the company will see droves of DVX100 fans hopping onto the HVX200 bandwagon."
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Hey David, why would this offend you? Wouldn't you say it's a fair statement to say that it's not "just" the price of the camera but it's the cost of the very expensive but required add on's that make it difficult for many people to make the jump. Just look at the DVX forum and you'll see many people making this very same observation.

Monitor ($1200)
Two 4 gig P2 Cards ($1200)
Storage (???)
Upgrades to your editing system (???)

I'm glad I made the jump but it wasn't cheap by any means.
 
"Until Panasonic offers a DVCPRO HD camcorder that can record to an inexpensive and familiar media type, its unlikely that the company will see droves of DVX100 fans hopping onto the HVX200 bandwagon."
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I don't know, I was on a waiting list for more than three months before I found someone with one camera in stock for me to buy -- and I stepped in front of someone else to buy it (how rude of me).

After my initial research, my choices were either the JVC or the Panasonic. I took a JVC bootcamp (where I met David of Cineform) and then I actually rented a JVC for a weekend to see what it could do. I got fantastic static shots of buildings and trees, not-so-great shots of two guys fighting and cars driving. The HDV compression is terrible for someone shooting a lot of motion filled shots. The Panasonic is a better choice for digital cinema..., The JVC is a cooler looking camera, though. I chose the HVX over the JVC because of the DVC Pro codec and the P2 cards (not dispite them), even though it is a more expensive way to go.

Speaking of that, the Canon is the coolest looking of all the HD cams reviewed in the article. I'm sure that all of the HDV cameras are perfect for ENG shooting. He did mention that the HVX200 is a bad choice for ENG. Perhaps he wrote the article with Electronic News Gathering in minds and not digital cinema.

He is, however, off base when saying that that the DVX users won't be jumping on this camera. DVX users know a good camera when they see one because the the DVX is a great camera. Sure, the HVX is expensive, though, so give them time to see what the camera can do before they invest. Wait until there are cameras on the shelves in stores and they aren't sold out any more. Or wait until there are bigger P2 cards. 8gigs is a fine start and with DV Rack coming on line for us soon, we have more and more options available.

I, for one, am very happy with my purchase.... If only I could afford a RED camera, though.
 
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Kholi said:
How often do HVX/DVX owners and advocates bash Sony's and Canon's and JVC's without mentioning their pluses?
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That doesn't make it ok. It's still a lame thing to do.

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Seems the only Panasonic owners that aren't worried about these articles are the ones out using their cameras.
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Good idea! :dankk2: I'm going out to shoot some cool variable frame stuff!
 
I'm not really bothered by the obvious bias of this article. I just find it odd that he seems to be predicting/quoting the success of these cameras when he clearly isn't privy to any sales data we aren't. He seems to argue that Pansonic and JVC's cameras are selling poorly and Canon's are flying off the shelves. The problem is that all the retailers I've spoken to (which i admit is quite limited) and all the ones that Barry and others here have spoken to (which is probably much more compreshensive) seem to say that the HVX is selling great and that the HD100 is doing pretty well too. The XLH1 actually hasn't been doing nearly as well at least not in the US and from what others have reported from Europe.

I'm used to people who don't properly evaluate the various cameras (and that comes from Pansonic's camp as well) but it is a bit disconcerting when and individual can't seem to seperate his own opinions from that of the public.
 
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