New Apple 12 core Mac Pro and iMac announced

Not for FCS applications, but for Premiere CS5 which utilizes that technology.

Point being that ATI has cards that utilize FXPlug technology, which Final Cut Pro and Motion accesses.

Buy a BTO nvidia 4800 if you use Adobe's products.
 
David S. said:
Can a PC user point to me a dual eight core Dell or HP that has built in eSATA on the motherboard?

thanks
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A Dell Precision T5500 or T7500 has eSATA on the motherboard, and can be configured as dual six-core.

Note that if you are comparing it to Apple, there is no such thing as a dual eight-core Mac Pro.
 
What would you like to see insofar as new features are concerned?
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David,
For me it is not a question of 'new features', rather lack of stability of the current MacPro lines.
Ever since we upgraded to MacPro 8 core & FCP7 editing workflow is no longer fun. (Not that it was ever fun, but at least our older dual cores, even G5 imacs almost never crashed with HDV or any other formats.)
Now the crushes are daily ritual when working with AVCHD--->Prores conversion.
Maybe my expectations were a bit high, or at least I though workflow speed/efficiency of editing AVCHD on a 8 core would be equal to doing SD on a dual core, I was wrong.
Only time I see the advantage of 8 cores is while compressing & rendering. Otherwise I am not alone in my FCP compaints (my previous post on the 1st page), APPLE needs to fix their software/hardware problems before trying to sell a carved aluminum body as an upgrade to a video editor.
 
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I'm glad I don't buy a new computer very often because I run an old MacPro running two 2.66GHZ dual-core processors and any new machine, even the middle range would blow this thing away.

So for the price I'm happy :) I don't need the $5000 machine, not sure what everyone's fuss is about. Most don't need the $5000 machine. Get the mid-range and pack it with RAM instead...
 
I was actually looking forward to the new mac pros not for the new macpros themselves as they are overkill, but rather hoping that the now last generation macpros from 2009 would go down in price significantly. Can anyone confirm whether this happened or not?
 
Homunculus said:
I was actually looking forward to the new mac pros not for the new macpros themselves as they are overkill, but rather hoping that the now last generation macpros from 2009 would go down in price significantly. Can anyone confirm whether this happened or not?
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I would be willing to bet that refurbished models will be more avaialble. I bought a refurbished 8 core Mac Pro in February and have been very happy with it.
 
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VGurcu said:
Ever since we upgraded to MacPro 8 core & FCP7 editing workflow is no longer fun. (Not that it was ever fun, but at least our older dual cores, even G5 imacs almost never crashed with HDV or any other formats.)
Now the crushes are daily ritual when working with AVCHD--->Prores conversion.
Maybe my expectations were a bit high, or at least I though workflow speed/efficiency of editing AVCHD on a 8 core would be equal to doing SD on a dual core, I was wrong.
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Are you crashing during Log and Transfer to pro res?

That's issue can be addressed.

I have to say I've edited AVCHD to Pro Res footage for two years now with a HMC150, HMC40, and TM700.

Never crashed in FCP 7 since it was introduced last year.

Might want to consider posting to the FCP forum to address some workflow issues.
 
Are you crashing during Log and Transfer to pro res?

That's issue can be addressed.
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Not during the actual transfer. If I open a clip in log transfer and peruse through the footage by dragging the mouse it will crush.(spinning wheel) If i have an hour long clip it is almost impossible to check out the footage; click on further in a clip it doesnt even show the timecode of whereabouts you are.
I know many people on this board produce narrative stuff that requires max 10-15 min length takes (clips). We are event producers, we use continous long takes(1.5 hrs nonstop recording) and from what i found in forums that log & transfer is not capable of handling transfers of such lengthy clips.
I gave up using FCP long time ago and using clipwrap instead to do the prores transfer. Still though drop frames, audio synch issues plagues my workflow; I miss the days of tapes & SD to be honest.

{As for your information, software updates are all upto date and I use 6gb/s sata ports for my external drives.}
 
VGurcu said:
Not during the actual transfer. If I open a clip in log transfer and peruse through the footage by dragging the mouse it will crush.(spinning wheel) If i have an hour long clip it is almost impossible to check out the footage; click on further in a clip it doesnt even show the timecode of whereabouts you are.
I know many people on this board produce narrative stuff that requires max 10-15 min length takes (clips). We are event producers, we use continous long takes(1.5 hrs nonstop recording) and from what i found in forums that log & transfer is not capable of handling transfers of such lengthy clips.
I gave up using FCP long time ago and using clipwrap instead to do the prores transfer. Still though drop frames, audio synch issues plagues my workflow; I miss the days of tapes & SD to be honest.

{As for your information, software updates are all upto date and I use 6gb/s sata ports for my external drives.}
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I have the same problem with scanning through clips in L&T. I can play them and click at various parts with no problem (unless they are very long), but dragging the curser along the timeline will often cause a crash. My solution, just import the whole clip, not ideal, but disk space is cheap and my 8 core transcodes very quickly.
 
Given the computational intensive nature of AVCHD, the scrubbing issues noted above don't surprise me.

Same thing happens to me and to associates scrubbing in Premiere CS5 on a Mac and a PC.

Crash Zoom Bam.
 
David S. said:
...computational intensive nature..... .
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Wow, what a great phrase.... I don't know where and when I might use it, but I am going to store that for future use. I can see it now, putting the whammy on client's noggin, and getting my out of a tight spot! :2vrolijk_08:

Thanks!
 
My solution, just import the whole clip, not ideal, but disk space is cheap and my 8 core transcodes very quickly.
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That wont work for me, good luck doing it for hundreds of hour of footage. Disc space is getting really expensive for us, I'll start archiving the footage on bluray discs pretty soon...
Btw what's very quick to you? How long does it take for you to convert 1hr of single take into Prores 422? And please dont tell me it is less than 2hrs {otherwise Im gonna have a heart attack}.
Best performance i ever got from clipwrap is 83 min / 1hr AVCHD.
 
Crash Zoom Bam.
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That s my point; 8 core or 12 core will continue to have the same problem. I am not dissappointed for not having built in esata ports(or USB3 etc) in newer MacPros. As you said they are cheap, and i still have 2 PCIe ports empty. Perhaps for less than %5 editors 4 PCI ports wont be enough.

So PLEASE APPLE first solve the hardware/software infrastructure-computing problems before beefing up the tower with tens of processors.
 
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Disc space is getting really expensive for us, I'll start archiving the footage on bluray discs pretty soon...
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External disk space already competes with bluray space in cost and there are many advantages worth more than 10x the cost of the HDDs. A year from now, even RAID1 will compete.

EDIT: Cost is about 3 euro per 25GB for raid5 gigabit network 6TByte true space. How much does a good bluray cost? It costs time to burn it, time to verify it, there is media cost, and it will cost when you need to archive to something new. There is also cost because the blurays will never be 100% full. With HDD you can simply do a copy from the RAID5 to the new fault tolerant HDD solution. The material is always online, you can verify it at any time, etc.
 
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