Add 6+fps of photo capability and I'm sold.
New A7II omg Sony
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Add 6+fps of photo capability and I'm sold.
I was thinking, if anything, the Sony processor and codec would be much better than what is in the D750! I'm really hoping it delivers A7s crisp video without the moire/aliasing. I'd just love to handhold some L primes! I'd seriously be tempted to sell my A7s and purchase two A7 II's.
Samuel H
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I believe it. The Shogun had to be made slightly bigger and heavier than the original design because of heat issues, and I don't think Atomos is holding back at all.
Of course, there are also examples of manufacturers holding back a perfectly capable camera (F5 4K hack), and examples of small cameras shooting 4K internally (GH4). So: in this case, only Sony knows for sure.
If the a7-II shoots 1080p images that are as sharp as the a7s ones, I'll have a hard time deciding whether I value more the IBIS or the better lowlight plus 720p120 plus external 4K option.
BTW: if the a7-II has more noise than the a7s, and it probably will, then the ISO 3200 limitation for slog-2 may become a serious issue: you'll probably have no range at all, ISO 3200 could be both technical minimum and optimal maximum. OTOH, the sensor should have better DR in RAW stills, so let's see how the implement slog-2.
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Shot with my iphone a bunch and did some story conceptualizing with a director this evening.
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I was wondering about the minimum ISO for slog also. Perhaps the native ISO will be lower on the A7 II. That would be a major selling point for me!
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me too. =D
photochris
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The A7 is my primary stills cam, IBIS and the new grip make the upgrade worth it for me. I can't imagine the video could give the A7s a run for its money since it's so sharp and free of aliasing and moire. The A7 line skipping really degrades IQ, the better codec can't get around that. $1600 keeps getting floated around based on the dollar-yen exchange. At that price I'm getting one to replace the A7.
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I must say, in many regards the A7s is kind of what we have all been asking for.
The A7s specs just sound like some franken camera designed by a forum thread. "We need a flat picture style, we need 51,200 iso that is usable. I don't car about 4k----but i do! At least have 4k upgrade path! 8bit is good enough! We need a better codec!" And so on. Where the GH4 was a specs sheet ground breaker, the A7s is like as if the forum was one collective hive mind of a person explaining his/her dream camera.
the A7II, i inititally thought was the upgrade to that, but now that i see it is probably the A7 sensor, and i have watched a few sample videos, and i just don't know if i could run with the a7 video quality. But s-log at that price point with better ergonomics is tempting. Plus a 14dr raw stills. So, i guess i will have to watch and see how the dust settles. Though, i may pull the trigger on a7s.
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Regarding overheating, it is not a matter of believes or guesses. It is actually a quite trivial calculation of heat conduction any bachelor student in computational engeneering and alike specialities could do. What makes it difficult to check is tgat we dont know exactly many input parameters such as: materials used and their properties, heat generation by the sensor in 4k, geometry and spatial configuration.
photochris
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I agree with what you're saying about the A7s, I love mine. The A7 is my stills workhorse right now, the improvements on that side - especially stabilized legacy glass -make the MKII appealing enough that I'm seriously considering upgrading. If the video gets noticeably better that's just a bonus, but it's still not going to approach the A7s' IQ.
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As long as the video is better than the current A7. That A7 video is so 2011. The A7s is obviously quite nice. The 4K is amaze balls. It is an arsenal camera. Great to have in the bag, even along side an f55 and alexa, imho.
I will want to get a monster low light camera like that in addition to a more daylight friendly camera. The 1DC was a nice all-rounder, but if I had two cameras, I'd like one to have a lower base iso, like 90 (ninety).
Matt Gottshalk
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What primes are you using on it?
Samuel H
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Sony claims:
* 50mm f/1.8 OSS: 4 stops
* a7s-II IBIS: 4.5 stops
So, it may be a bit better, but in any case not by much.
For the record, I've read several comments saying OSS on that 50mm is actually more like 2 stops (which would be enough for me: it means my 135mm with IBIS would be just as steady as my 35mm without it).
* 50mm f/1.8 OSS: 4 stops
* a7s-II IBIS: 4.5 stops
So, it may be a bit better, but in any case not by much.
For the record, I've read several comments saying OSS on that 50mm is actually more like 2 stops (which would be enough for me: it means my 135mm with IBIS would be just as steady as my 35mm without it).
Miklos Nemeth
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Hey Samuel, Are these "99 stops" statements relevant for videographers? I don't use at all OSS lenses for my still images, and I never had the impression that I should have. On the other hand I expect huge benefits in my handheld legacy-lens video work from A7ii IBIS. I don't care rolling shutter/moire/aliasing; since I know they are there I'll do my best to avoid them. Camera shake, this is the real enemy of my handheld videos.
Camera shake is much more noticeable because of the rolling shutter. In fact it is one of the primary reasons that the C series from Canon sold so well.The perception of camera shake was signifigantly reduced as a result of much better rolling shutter scan rates.