New A7II omg Sony

well, it has 24mp which means lots of downscaling in camera. In theory. the 12mp of the A7s is much better in that regard concerning video and lowlight
 
The a7-II seems to be using the same sensor of the a7, which will probably mean that moderate amounts of aliasing and moire are still there. But an a7s-II with IBIS would be great. Probably in spring/summer 2015...
 
My God. I'm picturing a small white room with a few mad scientists...haven't slept for days....holding up a camera "another one...hahahahha." Then throwing it over their shoulder to a pile of new cameras models in the corner...then the dramatic pause....but wait...."there's more." ...."Lets make more....but with slightly different stuff....and an evil laugh.....bahahahahahahaha!

And their workers go back to work like the little fraggle rock DOOZERS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1abGUL626yo&spfreload=10
 
Despite improved ergonomics, no change to the record button location/size, grrrrr.... Hopefully it'll be enabled on the shutter or programmable.

IBIS is awesome, but the A7 video isn't up to the A7s' IQ. Nice to see XVAC and SLOG being pushed out more though. I shoot with a lot of legacy glass, I'm going to upgrade from my current A7 in a few months when barely used bodies are selling for hundreds less than new. AF is only 30% faster, doesn't sound like the A6000 4D system made it into this one with 117 phase points that don't cover the full sensor. Perhaps they're holding out for the rumored high end A9?

Given Sony's history, I would guess a 5-axis APS-c body with better video specs is coming soon too.
 
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Are we sure this uses the exact same sensor as the A7? I read differently. I'd wonder if they'd throw good video codecs in this body with the same troublesome sensor for video (ie, more optimized for stills). As a guy who's gone from the A6K to the A7 and back to the A6K (ack!) I think this may be the best of both worlds for someone who doesn't primarily do video, but uses it for some work.

Im guessing legacy glass prices may go up a bit too. The rokinons should perform pretty well on this too. I've picked up a few Canon FDns and they're excellent on the E mount.
 
Seriously? You're all surprised?

Sony already have the ultimate compact 8K SUPER ULTRA HD, 940fps SLO MO, ProRes RAW, camera made and collecting dust. But they will keep on releasing handicapped versions for the next 20 years to generate maximum $$$
 
I have the A7s. Love it.

But I have no doubt I will be replacing all 3 of my A7s cameras with the A7sII when it's released. Since this update was a year later, I'm hoping that next July (2015) we'll have an A7sII with the following (and I don't think this is that unrealistic):

A7sII
Same Killer High ISO, or if you wanna improve that too, sure!
Same 5-Axis IBIS at A7II
Faster AF like the A7II (I'll take 30%...or A6000 speed if you really want to knock me out)
Same Chunkier Grip as the A7II
Same replacement of the shutter like the A7II
Shutter triggers video record
Can change WB while recording (shooting events at sundown is a nightmare to control)

oh, and Sony if you really want direct access to my bank account...

4K internal recording
On board ND filters like the Sony RX10

Either way, this is a great camera they just released and it's exciting to be investing into a camera lineup that is taking such huge steps when other companies are offering incremental upgrades.
 
* Of course we are not sure if this is the same sensor of the a7 or a small redesign or a full redesign. But after such short time and with such similar specs, my *guess* is that it is the a7 sensor.
* I doubt the a7s-II will have internal 4K, you probably need a new processor for that. Maybe the a7s-III, in 2016...
 
CinematicFanatic said:
Seriously? You're all surprised?

Sony already have the ultimate compact 8K SUPER ULTRA HD, 940fps SLO MO, ProRes RAW, camera made and collecting dust. But they will keep on releasing handicapped versions for the next 20 years to generate maximum $$$
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We know. We've known. Though they are at a place that they no longer really limit what I need. So, until displays and media outlets like vimeo get better, I have all the tools that reach that potential.
 
Samuel H said:
The a7-II seems to be using the same sensor of the a7, which will probably mean that moderate amounts of aliasing and moire are still there. But an a7s-II with IBIS would be great. Probably in spring/summer 2015...
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It might be the Nikon D750 sensor which has great 1080p both in crop mode and full frame. If so, I'd actually be very interested in this cam! Being able to handhold a 50mm 1.2 more than makes up for losing a stop or whatever of lowlight performance.
 
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It might be the Nikon D750 sensor which has great 1080p both in crop mode and full frame. If so, I'd actually be very interested in this cam! Being able to handhold a 50mm 1.2 more than makes up for losing a stop or whatever of lowlight performance.
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But it wouldn't have Nikons processor or codec, same Bionz X as before with XVAC added to the mix - so the output will be different than the d750. The A7II should be at least a little better than the A7 because of the better codec, a dramatic improvement would be a nice surprise - but I'm not holding my breath. There's little difference between the A5100 and the A6000 when shooting XVAC vs H264.

As a legacy glass shooter with a Defy G2 for stabilized shots, I am interested in the A7II if the price falls somewhere in the estimated $1600-1800 range. This could replace my A7 and G2 and leave me cash for a drone. The Olympus 5-axis is pretty amazing - especially when shooting video. My wife had the EM5 for awhile and it was cool, I could walk around and it looked like it was on a stabilizer. Sudden movements can create some weird jello though. Looking forward to tests. Since the camera drops in Japan in a few weeks, we won't have long to wait.

Hopefully as others have speculated, the A7sII will add IBIS. Maybe the larger body (or Sony if you don't believe the 4k overheating claims) will allow for internal 4K as well - especially since others are doing 4k internally.
 
Does anyone buy that heat argument made by all technology manufacturers? I don't. I really think it's marketing

I mean if Canon wanted to release a firmware update for the 5D to shoot 4K internal I am sure they will do it very easily, or to the 1DX and C100/300. What's stopping them is marketin reasons. Same with Sony, if the A7s can read the 4K sensor pixel by pixel, then downscale it to 1080p elegantly and compresses it to XAVC-S, then it probably would be less heat to bypass the internal heavy downscaling process, which it does now, while outputting a 4K signal via HDMI and two high quality signals to the LCD and EVF and baking in an S-LOG LUT and also recording a 720p proxy all in real time, without a touch of heat. Now the A7mk II with the same body has an entire sensor assembly that moves all the time, imagine how much heat would that generate compared to bypassing an intensive downscaling process. The LX100 is shooting 4K with a more sealed body (fixed lens), smaller size, with not heating issues. I don't even get why 4K needs more heat at all. The next A7s will most defnitely shoot 4K internally to an XAVC-S variable like the one in the AX100 or something with a little higher bit rate. And it will probably have the IBIS system and all the ergonomic changes.
 
Ebrahim Saadawi said:
Does anyone buy that heat argument made by all technology manufacturers? I don't. I really think it's marketing

I mean if Canon wanted to release a firmware update for the 5D to shoot 4K internal I am sure they will do it very easily, or to the 1DX and C100/300. What's stopping them is marketin reasons. Same with Sony, if the A7s can read the 4K sensor pixel by pixel, then downscale it to 1080p elegantly and compresses it to XAVC-S, then it probably would be less heat to bypass the internal heavy downscaling process, which it does now, while outputting a 4K signal via HDMI and two high quality signals to the LCD and EVF and baking in an S-LOG LUT and also recording a 720p proxy all in real time, without a touch of heat. Now the A7mk II with the same body has an entire sensor assembly that moves all the time, imagine how much heat would that generate compared to bypassing an intensive downscaling process. The LX100 is shooting 4K with a more sealed body (fixed lens), smaller size, with not heating issues. I don't even get why 4K needs more heat at all. The next A7s will most defnitely shoot 4K internally to an XAVC-S variable like the one in the AX100 or something with a little higher bit rate. And it will probably have the IBIS system and all the ergonomic changes.
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The cool thing is, there are now options out there for almost everything.

We don't have to put all our hopes in one camera right now. There really is a great spectrum right now. Definitely not a perfect camera in the bunch, but a camera for every need or budget (but not both at the same time yet).

Panasonic totally raised the bar with the GH4 specs, but their image aesthetics are not "the look" that is popular, and lack of low light makes no-budget filmers think twice.

Sony has always ha an array of options that both exceed expectations, and fall tragically short. "FS7 - 4k raw option, WOW! but requires an expensive bulky recorder, you should have bought an f55". "A7s, 14dr low light sensor, but here's a dash of funk" Their stills division seems to finally be maturing. Overall, sony is the hero of 2014. They rose to the occasion.

Canon, too little too late for too much. But usually hit a bit of good compromise, but frustrating limitations built in, or nasty omissions made to separate products. Though when you look around, you may find they are the only ones offering a certain niche, and you end up going "huh, i get it".

Nikon, the tortoise and the hare. They change so slowly in video it is difficult to even know wether things have come along, but all of a sudden are back on my radar.

Samsung dark horse, late to the game. See if they can make waves.

RED is on course. They are doing their thing, and generally have an enduring product. I'd still use a One MX. The Dragons are lovely. But people feel like they are in an expensive beta program, uh, you are in a cheap ground breaking beta program.
 
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It's $1600, right? a7s is still $2500. Doubt the performance will be as good in low light.
 
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