New 5D MarkIII, is this what we've been waiting for?

PappasArts said:
I don't think Panasonic missed the boat at all.


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Yes, since they sell every consumer good under the sun as well as high end HD cameras. They haven't missed anything. The GH series of cameras is just another consumer gadget to them. As long as they leave some desired feature out, we consumers are sure to buy another one later. I think this falls under the 100 year plan.
What ever camera you have now, just shoot and 99% of people who look at it won't know what camera was used.

More shooting, less peeping.
 
The trick is to not buy (I know that is impossible for some of you, literally)... actually, I really am looking to upgrade far beyond what marginal upgrades are available today. Also, I think even the Red and Alexa are not perfect, and I would like to see upgrades from them as well. So, the whole holding back thing just annoys me, because it is one more obstacle before getting to something I feel is entry level. And there will always be an upgrade.

Anyway, between what I own now, and what I use on jobs, I am fine not buying anything for 2012. Heck, if it is the end of the world, I don't want to waste my money on 'greatly reduced moire'. I can do that in 2013.
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Well, the trick may be to not buy, but I have just held it in my hands and tested it, and I AM buying.

The camera is MUCH better for video. The rolling shutter has been signifigantly reduced and the image feels much more solid as a result. I couldnt find any moirè in any of the quick tests I did. The rep said like the skew, it's there, but honestly it's going to be rare. In terms of ergonomics and solidity the body itself is a worthy update. There are locks everywhere to hold your settings fixed, and the magnifying glass can be programmed to the SET button. From the stills point of view autofocusing and ISO is greatly improved.

On another note the Canon rep confirmed it will be the 4K camera on April 15th.
 
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For me, right now, any camera above $5K is rental territory. I just don't believe, as a narrative guy who doesn't do a lot of paid work, spending more than that on technology that becomes outdated so quickly. It just isn't right for me. I rent as needed.
 
gonzo_entertainment said:
For me, right now, any camera above $5K is rental territory. I just don't believe, as a narrative guy who doesn't do a lot of paid work, spending more than that on technology that becomes outdated so quickly.
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Fair enough why so many people are looking for DSLRs to own.
 
it is possible to use autofocus in video mode with this camera? like from a point and shoot documentary work. I used mark II a couple of time and I did´t find a way to do this
 
maltess2 said:
it is possible to use autofocus in video mode with this camera? like from a point and shoot documentary work. I used mark II a couple of time and I did´t find a way to do this
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According to http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/co...-III-Review-Digital-Camera/Video-Features.htm

"Autofocus can be re-established at any time while recording video, but it requires the aperture to open fully while a contrast detection method is employed. The result is a jarring disruption of the tone and flow of any video, with no continuous AF option available."

I would have to really love the FF look to pay $3500 for a video capable camera without continuous autofocus and a 29 minute recording cap.
 
brunerww said:
According to http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/co...-III-Review-Digital-Camera/Video-Features.htm

"Autofocus can be re-established at any time while recording video, but it requires the aperture to open fully while a contrast detection method is employed. The result is a jarring disruption of the tone and flow of any video, with no continuous AF option available."

I would have to really love the FF look to pay $3500 for a video capable camera without continuous autofocus and a 29 minute recording cap.
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I can almost be 100% sure that no professional working in the industry as a Camera operator working with Video/Digital Film uses auto focus. That is a feature for point and shoot cameras as well as photo cameras. Secondly the 29 minute recording is great step up from the previous 12 minute limit. More than any camera operator would never need such a long take, heck the only take that long I can even think would be in a court room, congress speech or something that really you should be using an actual video camera for. Imo dslrs were not meant to replace video cameras and more so was a way for independent film makers, photo journalist to use.

For doing Music Videos they work perfect as well. The 5d has it's limitations, but an excellent tool it is.
 
vision_filmz said:
I can almost be 100% sure that no professional working in the industry as a Camera operator working with Video/Digital Film uses auto focus. That is a feature for point and shoot cameras as well as photo cameras.
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Then why is the Panasonic AG-AC160/130 forum up in arms over their pro camera's slow autofocus? And why has Panasonic had to explain themselves over the issue here and here? Not only are there pros who live and die by how well their AF works, but there are pros such as ENG shooters, doc shooters, reality guys, etc., etc. who use autofocus almost 100% of the time. The 5D Mark III will have a hard time entering those markets because it lacks autofocus. Not everyone shoots narrative, commercials or music videos.

vision_filmz said:
Secondly the 29 minute recording is great step up from the previous 12 minute limit. More than any camera operator would never need such a long take, heck the only take that long I can even think would be in a court room, congress speech or something that really you should be using an actual video camera for. Imo dslrs were not meant to replace video cameras and more so was a way for independent film makers, photo journalist to use.

For doing Music Videos they work perfect as well. The 5d has it's limitations, but an excellent tool it is.
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I don't disagree that 29 minutes is better than 12, or that the 5D Mark III is a fabulous tool for many people, especially narrative and music video makers. What I am saying is that I am disappointed that Canon does not seem to want to sell these cameras to event shooters for sermons, weddings, plays, etc. Or to people in ENG/reality world. Especially when less expensive cameras that are not camcorders have continuous video autofocus (Nikon, Sony Alpha, Panasonic) and unlimited shooting time (Panasonic). Maybe we'll get real continuous video AF and unlimited shooting time for non-amateurs from the Cinema EOS camera on 4/15!

Cheers,

Bill
 
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brunerww said:
Then why is the Panasonic AG-AC160/130 forum up in arms over their pro camera's slow autofocus? And why has Panasonic had to explain themselves over the issue here and here? Not only are there pros who live and die by how well their AF works, but there are pros such as ENG shooters, doc shooters, reality guys, etc., etc. who use autofocus almost 100% of the time. The 5D Mark III will have a hard time entering those markets because it lacks autofocus. Not everyone shoots narrative, commercials or music videos.



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Think of the Canon Dslrs in the vein of Digital Film. Even on a Red camera you would not use it for a 29 minute shoot, nor a film camera. I work narrative and that is what we use Dslrs for. All of the Great Cinematographers use manual focus. Even weddings, no one wants to see some long boring clip outside of the immediate family.

If you want a video camera with Auto focus Canon dslr is not it, and I'm glad.......
 
Doc makers and event shooters want auto focus. In narrative it has no utility whatsoever, I would never use it even if it was the fastest most accurate auto focus every deployed on any camera.

Focus is a huge component of the mise-en-scène that you'd never give over to a machine.

5D line is a much better tool for narrative which is why we are the people who have embraced it.
 
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If the C-DSLR is what I think it will be, then no, I think there will be NO autofocus and I for one will be glad, esp if it pull the price down into the realms of affordabillity.
 
brunerww said:
Then why is the Panasonic AG-AC160/130 forum up in arms over their pro camera's slow autofocus? And why has Panasonic had to explain themselves over the issue here and here? Not only are there pros who live and die by how well their AF works, but there are pros such as ENG shooters, doc shooters, reality guys, etc., etc. who use autofocus almost 100% of the time.
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That's really overstating the issue and the amount of people who rely on autofocus.
 
Well, if they're not going to include a smooth AF, they really need to include some kind of focus assist like peaking or something other than the just the 5-10x magnification to let you know you are in focus.
 
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