The 5DII already has a 40+Mbps bit rate which makes for about 3minutes/GB so it's only just over double for the new high bit rate.
New 5D MarkIII, is this what we've been waiting for?
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Who cares? While many swear by Magic Lantern there are many more of us who are just as happy using the 5DII naked & unadorned. In fact until very recently the functionality of ML for the 5D was very limited compared to that available for the cheap Canon DSLRs.
It amazes me how much bad opinion this is getting.... other than crippling the hdmi out, it seems like a perfect upgrade... Have we all forgotten what really counts...
Image quality
Resolution is up, codec is better, aliasing is gone, moire is gone, low light is better, DR is better, highlight rolloff is better, headphone jack, much better stills camera, full frame. $3500 guys.... try and remember back a few years!
Image quality
Resolution is up, codec is better, aliasing is gone, moire is gone, low light is better, DR is better, highlight rolloff is better, headphone jack, much better stills camera, full frame. $3500 guys.... try and remember back a few years!
Will Turner
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Yeah this is mental, what are people expecting? It looks amazing to me, dream camera!
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There is a small minority that is not in love with this camera, and of that minority, a lot of them are saying the older 5dmk2 is good enough. Sorry, that we are not bouncing of the walls and singing 5dmk3 praise songs. Believe me, the new canon is getting attention:
Will Turner
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I'm not surprised it's getting that much attention. I suppose the 5dII is good enough as long as you don't mind low resolution footage that is almost entirely aliasing and moire..
It irritates me that everything that people in the video world asked for from the new 5D is there and even though their ideals have been fulfilled they still complain.
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Not sure you have really researched that. Their is the 'collective' ideals, and then there are those that stick out when the perceived collective's ideals have been met.
For me, I enjoy shooting. I have enjoyed it since the SD days. There are many cameras and formats to use now, and that is fun. I like the 5mk3 on paper well enough, but of course it will always irk me that the 5dmkIII could probably have 4:2:2 with a top notch codec (or higher bitrate options), clean hdmi out, and HDR in video. It's a little bit like buying a CPU that meets your needs for the time being, but it is limited intentionally, renamed, and then sold at a much lower cost than the non-limited version. No big deal, but it makes you think about it a little.
Again, this is not going to affect most users.
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If I can say one thing that I am genuinely sad about, is the focus confirm zoom button is on the left side of the camera, instead of being readily accessible to the right hand. Would be nice to have a firmware update for that, to remap a button to the right side.
It just bugs me that film making seems to have boiled down to a spec sheet on a piece of paper (on forums, at least). So much negativity before a single frame of 1080p footage has been seen.
Having seen the Mariante video... It seems the DR and highlight roll off are edging towards C300 / F3 territory. It may have just been great lighting and perfect conditions... time will tell.... but If we are looking at around 11-12 stops DR, nice roll off and a clean, well resolved image, then this is dream stuff for $3500.
Having seen the Mariante video... It seems the DR and highlight roll off are edging towards C300 / F3 territory. It may have just been great lighting and perfect conditions... time will tell.... but If we are looking at around 11-12 stops DR, nice roll off and a clean, well resolved image, then this is dream stuff for $3500.
Will Turner
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Ok let me rephrase that.
All the realistic ideals have been met.
It has a maximum 91Mbit I-frame codec, is that not good enough? 422 would have been nice, but unrealistic considering the C300.
The aliasing and moire are dealt with (the sensor was designed for video from the start - look at the resolution, 3x 1080p in both dimensions so it's easy to scale well).
There's a live headphone jack.
The low light performance has been improved by a stop or two.
The dynamic range appears to have also been much improved in video mode going on the low quality samples that have been released.
This is basically a vista vision c300 and pro stills camera rolled into one for $3500!
All the realistic ideals have been met.
It has a maximum 91Mbit I-frame codec, is that not good enough? 422 would have been nice, but unrealistic considering the C300.
The aliasing and moire are dealt with (the sensor was designed for video from the start - look at the resolution, 3x 1080p in both dimensions so it's easy to scale well).
There's a live headphone jack.
The low light performance has been improved by a stop or two.
The dynamic range appears to have also been much improved in video mode going on the low quality samples that have been released.
This is basically a vista vision c300 and pro stills camera rolled into one for $3500!
I suspect that it is because they assume that the same hand which uses the assist will focus the lens, leaving the stability of the camera and the start stop button for the right hand.
I would also agree with Will. I also think most of the realistic objectives have probably been met.
+1. If they've fixed the aliasing and moiree, then this camera becomes pretty significant. Given Canon's product line, anybody who expected to see the xf305 codec in this camera (along with 10 bit, 4.2.2 and hdr video) was always going to be disappointed. Disappointing about the hdmi out though.
Andy Franck
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Actually I'm with you on this. I wasn't clear enough about it, but I was just offering a perspective on Cosimo's post.
I've already pre-ordered the 5D MKIII and look forward to getting my hands on one. I'm confident that this is a greater update than a quick look at the specs would suggest.
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Probably has more to do with the fact that it is designed by the stills dept.
Have you used a 60D? With the zoom focus check button on the right, you can save micro moments of time. I can start focusing on the lens barrel as I press the button to focus check, and then just hit record (and the camera automatically zooms back out to full image). It takes more steps and more time with the button on the left, not to mention it messes with framing when handheld or shoulder mounted.
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ROCKMORE
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Big disappointment on the new 5D III after 3 and a half years with an over inflated price tag.
This is a very good point, nigel -- and bad news for those of us hoping to get weathersealing on the next version of the GH2...
Peter J. DeCrescenzo
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(Nigel said: "An articulating LCD screen is never going to appear on a rugged weatherproofed professional DSLR. It will get snapped off or the hinge will let in water or similar.")
Never? Professional & prosumer camcorders have featured articulated LCD screens for ages. Don't recall this being a common breakage issue.
And even a relatively inexpensive prosumer camcorder can be dust & rain-proof (e.g.: Sony NX70):
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/761581-REG/Sony_HXR_NX70U_HXR_NX70_Compact_Dust_and.html
Boncrek
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I'm sure it can be done.
The Sony A77 has a fully articulating LCD yet is fully weather sealed and it isn't even a "pro" FF camera.
Samuel H
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I also don't like the fact that the zoom button is on the left, but with some luck that function can be assigned to the mfn button, which is in a very convenient location by the stills shutter release (also, I think I've read somewhere that many other buttons are assignable too)