My take on the Lumix lenses I've bought for the AF100 and GH2

Barry_Green

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I've got a few of these, what I consider a decent-range set, that I use for my GH2 and AF100; thought I'd give a little bit of a rundown on them in case anyone's interested...

7-14 f/4.0 wide-angle zoom
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Love it love it love it love it love love love love love love this lens. This is probably my favorite Lumix lens of the bunch. It's soooooooooo friggin' wide. It's equiv. to a 17-35 on a movie camera, or a 14-28 on a stills camera. It's sharp, it's wide, and it's wide. Focus is slick and smooth, zoom action is slick and smooth. The distortion when you get really close is just too much fun, but it's also a rectilinear lens (no barrel distortion, no fisheye!) more like the Arri 8mm Ultra Prime. Because of the rectilinear nature you do have to watch out in the corners as things do get stretchy. It's a special-purpose lens, because it is so wide, but if you need a wide zoom, this is a great one. And it's quite small so it's totally reasonable on the GH2. 10/10.


20mm f/1.7 pancake
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This is a great lens. This is a really great little lens. It's affordable, it's TINY, it's super-sharp, and it's fast (f/1.7 makes it 2.75 stops faster than the 14-140 when set to 20mm; that means it can deliver equivalent brightness in 1/7th as much light!) It's got an extremely usable field of view, for a prime -- it's about equiv. to a 24mm lens on a movie camera, or a 40mm lens on a full-frame stills camera. I really, really like this lens on the GH2. On the AF100, it's not quite as appealing, I must say. It's so tiny, it looks silly, and the manual focus isn't really that great, and for video autofocus it's not that good -- it's slow and noisy. But the tiny size just mates so well with the GH2 and really feels like a natural fit. If you're getting a 14-140 for general purposes and you need a faster lens on occasion, the 20mm is a great fit for that. I like it a lot, it's a good default standard lens. 9/10.

14-140 f/4-5.8 HD zoom
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On the surface, this lens seems to offer it all. It's got a great 10x zoom range, from wide angle to really good telephoto (equiv. to 17-170 on a movie camera, or 28-280 on a "full frame" stills camera). It has optical image stabilization, which is just absolutely vital when shooting handheld at longer focal lengths. It's got chromatic aberration compensation to get rid of the purple/green fringing other lenses may exhibit. It's got barrel distortion correction for sharp square vertical lines when at wide angle. Like all the Lumix lenses, it communicates back to the AF100 to tell the AF100 its zoom and focus positions, so you always know exactly where you are focusing at or what zoom position you're at. And the zoom action is soooo much better than the 100-300; I didn't realize how nicely the zoom works on the 14-140 until I got the 100-300. And it's the only lens available for any still camera or large-sensor videocamera that you can get for m43 that does video-style silent fast autofocus. Overall, this lens really does do everything.

So why are you sensing a "but" coming on? Well, because after the latest firmware update, I'm finding it not quite "all that". I used to think it was all that and a bag of chips; now I think it doesn't get the chips. It's still the one lens that, if you could only get one lens, this would be the one I'd recommend. However...

It's slow. We know that; it only opens to f/4 at the max, and over much of the range it's slower than that. You can't get the super-shallow DOF out of this lens, that you can out of the 20mm pancake (or, especially, the Voigtlander 25mm f/0.95 lens!) It's not the best for shooting indoors, because it's slow -- you have to gain up a stop to get the camera to be on par with an HVX200, for example; Jim Brennan reports that an AF100 w/14-140 at 800 ISO is about equiv. to an HVX200 at 0dB using its built-in lens. That's not bad, but ... well, it's 800 ISO. If you want killer low light performance, you could get the same or even better brightness out of 200 ISO if you used the Olympus f/2.0 lenses, for example. In low light, the 14-140 most definitely isn't the brightest star of the bunch.

Second, it makes a great match size-wise to an AF100, but it's a bloated massive huge thing to use as a walking-around lens on a GH2. I spent all day with the lens on the GH2 at the zoo, and I love the range -- it's got a GREAT range, especially with the GH2's ETC mode. But dang if the lens isn't as big as the whole camera. Seems pathetic to be whining about size when we're talking about such a tiny camera and relatively small lens, but I'm just putting it out there -- the pancake is so sleek and just feels like it's "perfect" for the GH2, whereas the 14-140 makes the whole package just a whole lot bulkier. With the pancake, the GH2 is practically a point-and-shoot; with the 14-140, it's practically a 5DMkII. Not quite as bulky, but almost. That doesn't have to be a negative, but I'm pointing it out.

Third, while it does do video-style autofocus, it hunts like a bugger. Now, this is kind of a case of the guys on Survivor complaining about the flavor of the rice they get to eat -- if you want autofocus on an AF100, this is the ONLY lens in the world (right now) that does it video-style, so -- beggars can't be choosers. But, if you're expecting it to act just like the instant-autofocus on a Canon XF, or like regular autofocus on an HPX170... it isn't quite there. It's decent, but ... well, yeah, that's it. It's decent.

Also, I'm not 110% sure on this, but I think the most recent firmware updates may have changed one of my favorite behaviors on this lens. In prior versions, this lens on the AF100 pretty much acted as a parfocal -- you could zoom in, set focus, and zoom out, and it'd hold focus exactly. Now, either I was blind and didn't notice this before, or the latest firmware update has changed this, because there are some scenarios where it doesn't quite do it perfectly. I can set focus to 8 feet, zoom out, and focus will now be reading out as 7.7 feet (or whatever). And the iris will do the same thing -- zoom in, set it to f/9.0, zoom out, and i might read f/10. That's only a difference of 1/5 of an f-stop so it's not a really big deal, but ... it's annoying.

Lastly, the iris response is really slow. I think it's pretty slow on most of the Lumix lenses, but I really notice it on the 14-140, maybe because I expect more out of the 14-140. I want the 14-140 to turn the AF100 into a functional facsimile of a regular ENG-style videocamera. And ... it just isn't quite there. It's the best we've got, yes, but the iris response is really slow; autoiris response is chunky (noticeable brightness changes) and if you use a remote like the FoXi to change the iris quickly, you'll see that it can take a couple of seconds for the iris to "catch up" to you.

So -- overall, I still think that if you could only get one lens for an AF100, this would be the one. It does everything -- it just doesn't do everything brilliantly. But it does things no other lens does at all, so if you have a choice of "this one does it pretty well" vs. "those ones don't do it at all"... the 14-140 remains the only game in town. Overall rating: 7/10 unless you NEED what it does, in that case 8/10.


100-300 f/4-5.6 zoom
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I like this lens a LOT. This is a great lens. It's a special-purpose lens, in terms of that it's so telephoto you're not going to want this as your only walking-around lens, but if you need what this lens does, it does it very well. You can shoot the moon, full-frame, with this lens! It's sharp, it's decently fast for its range, and when you combine it with the ETC on the GH2, it's practically a telescope. And the OIS works really well, and you NEED a good OIS when you're working with a CMOS camcorder at telephoto lengths.

For wildlife, I love this lens. Might even love love this lens. Heck, yeah, let's say it, I love love love this lens for wildlife. Paired with a GH2, it's a dream combo. You get the equivalent of a 2,340 mm lens (when shooting 720p ETC mode) with very minor jello (because the GH2's jello in 720p ETC is almost nonexistent) and the OIS removes the rest of the wobble. I mean, don't get me wrong, you need a tripod, but a regular CMOS camcorder with no OIS shooting at these ranges is going to be a wobbly mess even on a tripod; with the GH2/720/ETC/OIS it's easy to get super-stable, super-extreme mega-telephoto shots. This lens pairs incredibly well with the GH2 to make it a formidable wildlife camera. With/without ETC, it ranges from the "full frame" equivalent of 100mm-2340mm, at f/4-f/5.6, in a lens that costs $599 MSRP and weighs barely over one pound. How can you beat that? It's insane. And it autofocuses, and it has chromatic aberration compensation, and it's reasonably fast, and it's sharp. I compared it on the AF100 against my old Zeiss Pentacon Six 300mm f/4 lens, and the Lumix was dramatically sharper (not to mention tiny, and a zoom, and autofocus, and has OIS). It's so much better that I'm dumping the 300mm Zeiss now.

Drawbacks? The zoom action is horrible. Ugh. Made me appreciate the comparative slickness of the 14-140 and the nice smoothness of the 7-14. You will not be zooming during a shot with this lens! It's noisy, it has a bit of stickiness halfway through the range, and ... well, it's just not all that smooth. I hate the zoom action on this lens. But, at least it has a zoom, unlike my 300mm Zeiss, so... we're back to beggars and choosers.

On the AF100, you don't get quite all the same awesomeness out of it that you do on the GH2, because the AF100 doesn't have the ETC mode (so you don't get the mega-zoom 2340mm mode, and you don't get the benefit of the reduced rolling shutter that ETC mode has). But, the AF100's already got much better rolling shutter performance in 24p than the GH2 does, so ... it's still pretty good on the AF100. The range is a long telephoto; it's equiv to
120-360 on a movie camera, or 200-600 on a full-frame stills camera. But considering the closest you could get to this on a stills camera would be the Canon 100-400 f/4.5-f/5.6, the Lumix is (in terms of relative field of view) 50% more tele, 1/3 the price, and 1/3 the weight. For some folks that may more than make up for it having a lousy zoom action or whatever other shortcomings it might have in comparison. Yes the lens is huge on the GH2, but for wildlife I don't think that's an issue; wildlife shooters are used to long lenses. And compared to what "full frame" stills shooters are used to, they'll think the Lumix 100-300 is tiny; it's only five and a half inches long and 2.75" in diameter. It may feel big on a GH2, but it's right-sized for an AF100 and it's tiny for such a massive field of view.

This would be a special-purpose lens for an AF100, and in that context I'd give it a 7/10. But for a GH2 wildlife shooter, it's the bomb diggity, and for that user I'd give it an 11/10.

Note: the benefits of chromatic aberration compensation and barrel distortion correction won't apply to all cameras that these lenses could be used on. The lenses communicate this data to the camera body, but it's up to the camera body to work with that data to perform the appropriate digital corrections. In dpreview's tests, when these kinds of lenses are used on Olympus m43 bodies, the corrections aren't done; Olympus apparently doesn't have the hardware in their bodies to deal with it (but they have in-body image stabilization, so... there's always a tradeoff). On the GH1/GH2/AF100, those cameras do take advantage of the lens data and their processors do correct out the chromatic aberrations and the barrel distortion. I would guess that most if not all Lumix cameras do too, but I don't know.

I don't have any experience with any other Lumix lenses and so cannot compare them or answer questions about them. I bought all these from B&H and PanasonicDirect.com because I wanted a complete set of lightweight autofocusing color-matched lenses for the GH2, and I'm pretty happy (to thrilled) with them. Just passing on that info to anyone who was considering these lenses for either of these cameras.

Edit 1/19/11: I've just finished a separate article on another Lumix lens. Go to this link for an article on using the Lumix 3D lens on the AF100 and GH2!
 
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Re 7-14mm: "Love it love it love it love it love love love love love love this lens."



Ha ha...I use two underwater and...Love them love them love them....
 
Thanks for that Barry.

My GH2 with 14-140 and 20mm pancake arrives early next week :)

The only reason a 7-14 isn't in there yet (and I really really want one of those too) is because it's over £1000 in the UK but about $850 in the US and I just can't get my head around that - the other lenses and the camera itself seem similarly priced either side of the pond but the difference on this one is nuts, VAT and duty don't account for it.

Anyway, they'll be destined for use on the AF101 as well when it arrives - one of the big big attractions of this whole deal from Panasonic to me - so your summary and comments are really helpful.

I bought the 3D lens as well for stills on the GH2 since I have an interest in 3D - any experience with that one?

Cheers

Neil
 
Got one on order.

The other thing about the Lumix lenses on the AF100 is that you can get remote focus and remote iris control with them, which is something that's not really possible with a manual lens. Nice for jib work or steadicam or such.
 
Barry,

I second your findings. I own quite a few of these lenses.

- 20mm f/1.7 amazing (especially for the money). Miss a lens hood (great with GF1)
- 7-14mm is amazing. But I hardly use WA that wide.
- 14-140mm I don't like slow lenses but at good light it is great. I love it on GH1/GH2 for size: try alternative lenses with 10x zoom on all other brands.
- 100-300mm great for the size, weight, price and angle of view
- 45mm f/2.8 Macro did not use it too much but also fine

If I shoot video indoors I use the Olympus 43 (not m43) 14-54mm f/2.8-3.5 lens and it is is nice (MF, AF is slow)

Plan to write about most m43 lenses I own here:

http://outbackphoto.com/CONTENT_200...eras_2011/20110104_OurLensesForM43/index.html




Some GH2 stills:

http://outbackphoto.smugmug.com/Res.../PanasonicGH2/15113124_9KTtH#1149827042_kUzHf

Uwe

Mainly from a still photographers perspective.
 
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Thanks for great info Barry. Just a minor clarification from my very unscientific test Video Clip in this Thread. The readings for exposure that I used were from the Y-Get marker, which looks different on the AF-100 than the HVX. So I don't know if is is sampling the same amount of info on both cameras to get that number. It looks like the portion of the screen being sampled is smaller on the AF-100, but I could be wrong. Anyway, if that is the case, it should be considered because the stuff I was shooting was pretty cluttered with lots of objects and colors, and i don't think that I had many solid fields in their that would have something to get a clean sample over a large area (Hey, I SAID it wasn't scientific)

The reason that I bring it up is that even though the readings that were closest was the AF-100 at 4.0/800ISO and the HVX wide open, the footage in FCP looked different to my eye. The AF-100 at 4.0/400 ISO fell right between the HVX at WFO and 4.0 in the markers, but it was much closer to the HVX at WFO to my eye. The AF100 at 4.0/800 ISO looked brighter than the marker readings would suggest (between 1% and 3%) when compared to the HVX at WFO.

Meaning, that in a split screen at the editing suite, the AF100 performs marginally better regarding exposure compared the HVX than my numbers suggest. The AF100 with the Lumix ens at 4.0/400ISO is not quite as bright as the HVX wide open, but it's very close in a side by side comparison.

Hope that helps.
 
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I don't think these numbers are right assuming stills is FF and movie is S35 :)

17-35 on a movie camera, or a 14-28 on a stills camera.
 
I bought a GF 1 some months ago to get familiar with m4/3 lenses . I have the 7-14 and agree with Barry- this lens is great as a wide- wide, and functions well on the AF . Also have the 14-140 which I might use on my AF in a pinch , but I kind of think of it as scrap for use on the AF. I'll use it on the GF for shooting time lapse and maybe on the AF if squeezed by a situation but I would prefer not to use it at all, as its too slow.
I too thought that this might be the "eng lens" for the AF but it is not and I don't really see such a thing as an "eng" lens for the AF at this time. I don't think the AF is an "eng" camera either. For the most part, I do not see the value in shooting with a large sensor (> 2/3rds") camera in un controlled situations any way, as it just seems to be a formula for struggling with lens choices far too much of the time. My 370 is the killer cam for shooting in situations when "i don't know what is going to happen"

I did order an olympus 14-35 F2.0 lens as a default lens for the AF, and while that lens has not come yet, I think it will fill the role of my AF 100 default lens. I do have concerns, because another olympus lens I had , the 12-60, turned out to be a dud, no auto focus, even on the GF.
 
barry, have you tried any of the olympus lenses yet? I hear nothing but good things about the zeico's, they are fast too per and hopefully allow for proper electronic control...
 
Thanks Barry for the great overview. I still only have the GH13(hoping to get the AF 100 in the next few months) but I have the kit lens and the pancake. I have been very curious about the 100-300 and I think you have sold me on it. I have a ton of Nikon primes, but if you are trying to catch anything in action shooting nature it seems auto focus is pretty necessary. I occasionally tag along with my brother when goes out shooting wildlife and he mainly shoots a Nikon rig with a 600mm. He is able to capture some amazing mid-air action with eagles and ospreys. http://www.photographybygregstephens.com/
Meanwhile me and the kit lens, I'm like can't you get them to fly a little closer? I think even with the 2x factor the 100-300 will be a huge improvement.
Thanks for the review.
 
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Hi Barry,
I picked up my camera a couple of days ago and tried my lenses out. The 7-14 and 14-140 work fine with the auto focus, but the 20mm pancake will only auto focus when the "push auto focus" button is pushed. It does respond to the camera, but is listed as "manual only" in the viewfinder when the lever is switched back and forth from manual to auto... This is fine for a static shot, but for steadycam or jib work, it is not useable. I downloaded the lens update from the Panasonic pro site, put the unzipped files on an SD card and tried "lens update" from the menus and got an error message. I haven't performed the update task before, so I may be doing it wrong. Is it better to go from the SD card or perhaps the USB. Anyway, I'm curious if anyone else has had the same experience with the 20mm pancake, or is there something wrong with my particular lens? Or, maybe the new update addresses this issue...
 
Hi Barry,
I picked up my camera a couple of days ago and tried my lenses out. The 7-14 and 14-140 work fine with the auto focus, but the 20mm pancake will only auto focus when the "push auto focus" button is pushed. It does respond to the camera, but is listed as "manual only" in the viewfinder when the lever is switched back and forth from manual to auto... This is fine for a static shot, but for steadycam or jib work, it is not useable. I downloaded the lens update from the Panasonic pro site, put the unzipped files on an SD card and tried "lens update" from the menus and got an error message. I haven't performed the update task before, so I may be doing it wrong. Is it better to go from the SD card or perhaps the USB. Anyway, I'm curious if anyone else has had the same experience with the 20mm pancake, or is there something wrong with my particular lens? Or, maybe the new update addresses this issue...

Hi.

The 20mm is push auto focus only.
Its not going to change.

I tried it with continues AF on the G2 and its crazy slow, it cant find focus if you move the camera.
On the AF100 you need the Foxi with it. And surprisingly its quiet with the Foxi cause you don't make it work its fastest.

With my G2 I got the Lumix 14-42 lens and its 100% quiet in auto focus.
100% zoom in set focus zoom out zoom in repeatable.

Its slow, 3,5-5,6.

With face detection its a good lens on the AF100.

With the Foxi its precisely 1,5-2 seconds from end to end of the focus.
What is the 14-140mm Barry?
 
I did a steadycam test with the 20mm pancake and the GH2 today and got the same problems as Multi-Media. I wanted to upload it but its not worth it:-) I wish the foxi worked on the GH1-2. As great as the pancake is, for film and steadycam MF is mandatory but forget pulling focus, so you need to stop down to get a wide DOF.
 
Barry, a couple of months ago I bought exactly these same lenses and also the 45 Macro Elmarite lens. I can say that I fully agree with your reviews and that I also love the Macro Lens. In fact, the 14-140 autofocus and speed was a bit of a disapointment... Specially because I was hoping this lens would provide a run n' gun shooting possibility, almost like with a Canon XF (yes, I know... Different purpose camera). Well... I'm sure they will come up with something like that, some day.

Still, as far as shallow DOF goes... I wasn't so disapointed.

Edit: Sorry, I didn't buy the pancake lens... My mistake.
 
G'Day Barry, Another great review and post thankyou. At the end of 2010 I spent a month in Nepal - Kathmandu, Chitwan National Park and the Annapurnas, shooting with an unhacked GH1 20mm and 14-140mm, mostly 50p and some stills. We were traveling light so no sticks, just a gorrillapod and a telescopic trekking pole with a ball mount on top. I agree with your thoughts on both these lenses, the sharp/bright factor on the 20mm pancake, great for stealth shooting downtown backstreets Kathmandu and the functionality of the 14-140mm zoom. Whilst trekking in the Annapurnas, I did a bit of walk and talk to camera with the Gh1/14-140mm mounted on my trekking pole (the 7-14mm would have been killer!) lens set to MF and OIS of course, shots turned out great. On the back of an Elephant in the jungle of Chitwan spotting Rhino, Deer, Monkeys and Wild Boar was a challenge, but again the 140mm end of the zoom handheld did the job, I thought really well.
 
barry, have you tried any of the olympus lenses yet? I hear nothing but good things about the zeico's, they are fast too per and hopefully allow for proper electronic control...
I have used the 14-35 on the AF100 and it is extremely sharp and very fast. The auto functions are enabled, but I remember the focusing as being clanky jerky start/stop DSLR-style focusing. Useful for if you're going to autofocus before you start rolling, but not usable for autofocus during shooting.
 
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