My first "bad client" or am I out of touch?

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A video production friend asked me if I could shoot a local cover band at a concert for a DVD. The go-between asked me if I would be using the on-board mic to capture the audio. I told him,"Hell no, I'll be using three cameras with one directly linked to the audio board." The end result was the client disliking the product so much that she said she is going to stick the DVDs in a drawer and not show the rest of the band because she knows they "will not be pleased."

About me: I've been shooting video since 2000, where I was a local news and sports shooter for seven years. I started doing side work (weddings, government, corporate, etc.) in 2004. I've been in business solely for myself since 2008. I'm in a small market and my productions are meat-and-potatoes ... still shooting SD using three DVX cameras (an original, an 'A' model and a 'B' model). I do not take on projects that are better suited for higher end production companies.

The gig: I agreed to shoot their outdoor concert on the 4th of July and produce an edited DVD of the show. The pay was for $300. The concert lasted about 1.5 hours ... the finished DVD clocked in at 1 hour, 10 minutes.

The set-up: I set up the DVX100 at the sound booth and had audio feeding into it. It was unmanned on a wide shot for editing cutaways. The DVX100A was on a tripod adjacent to the stage for a medium-ish shot. The DVX100B was the camera I handheld for the various close-ups and other shots. This is pretty much how I shoot weddings and other things. I shot using 24P advanced. I used the crop function in Sony Vegas to match aspect with the DVX100 and used that shot as sparingly as possible due to the loss of resolution. The cameras are difficult to color match at times as well.

I admit ... there are better ways to shoot a concert video. But her response to the DVD was that it wasn't worth $300. While she couldn't nail down her main complaint, I think it just wasn't "flashy" enough for her. I tried to grill her (nice and politely) and pin it down. I explained to her that without manning many cameras and monitoring audio, you cannot get a perfect concert video. I also told her that to do so would cost more like $1,500 or likely more. My compromise was to shoot a few songs at an upcoming gig to try to "get it right." This is an eight-piece rock band, spread out across a wide stage ... and I think part of her fear is that not enough face time is given to each performer (which I tried to explain that the leads usually get most the cam time or it doesn't make much sense). I learned that covering a wide range or performers across a large stage is more difficult than a three-piece in a bar.

I suppose my main question to the forum is ... how do you deal with this? I offered to return the $300; she refused & we compromised because my reputation has always been good & I don't want it damaged. She wasn't rude, but she said she wanted to be honest ... that she was almost was in tears because she feels as if she's going to have to foot the bill because she's too embarrassed to show the others. I'm disappointed my client isn't happy, but I also feel that, for $300 on short notice on the 4th of July holiday, you can't get much more. A YouTube link to a song from the concert is posted below. I certainly would not have taken on the job if knew there were unreasonable expectations, and a higher budget would have been used accordingly. (and for the record, my production buddy who got me the gig thought it looked fine). Thanks for reading.

http://youtu.be/w0Gqgyof7hQ
 
Outdoor concert.

3 cameras.

2 locked down.

1 operator.


Does that help?

btw, I hope she OK'd you posting the Youtube clip......
 
Thanks for the reply Pookie. Sorry for unnecessary details.

Yes, three cam, two locked down, one op.

And yes, the clip was authorized (posted before the DVD was finished).
 
Was the client that got upset a band member, the frontman/frontwoman?

If so, I would suspect that what is going on may be more about their performance the night of your recording. If that is the case, I can tell you from experience that there is nothing you can do. In fact, the very act of filming the event only magnified what the were insecure about already, now it's been immortalized on a DVD : /

Not sure this is the case, it is just an option to consider.
 
Thanks for the reply, 62stratplaya. You hit it on the head. She is the frontwoman and the band was upset with the sound mix during the night. She stressed to me that she was taking the "sound" out of the equation and just judging the video presentation. But is that really possible when you're so disappointed with the concert as it went down live?

I appreciate the experienced insight.http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/member.php?81537-62stratplaya
 
i don't like the stationary shots and the handheld stuff is rather shaky.

the first camera is not level with the stage, you have it at an angle. you can't see the crowd except for 1 guy. they might as well have been warming up to an empty field. the footage is also darker than the other two shots.

the second stationary shot is useless, there is a huge sign in the way. at one point you walk into the shot.

i realize it's more difficult when it's just you doing the gig, but better placement and setup of the cameras would have helped.
 
Thanks Ugafan. Comments are much appreciated. While I was able to change the shots on occasion throughout the night (I wasn't comfortable with the placement either), your critique is spot-on.
 
300 bucks for all that equipment and work! She should be kissing your Video God xss for great work at a giveaway price. Chalk this one up in the moron client column and walk away.
 
The lock down shots could have been tighter and better composed, but for a one man band production for $300 bucks, I'd say she got more than her money's worth.
 
Ok personally, my feeling is this looks all rather rough and rushed. And to be completely honest if this was turned in to me I would spit it.

But for $300 Im not sure what she's expecting. You dont get a Porsche at "insert cheap car manufacturer name here" prices. You do a certain job for your market at a certain price. I dont have an issue with that, and neither should she IMO.
 
All the key points have been made. Now that you know using two lockdowns and one operated camera dilute your final product, you should steer away from using that formula for future projects.
 
I am not sure what anyone would expect for $300 dollars. The fact that they got you to show up is a win for them.
 
And perhaps a monopod instead of handheld? Would have helped those zoomed shots, and the 3 footed Manfrotto (560b) would have kept them close to tripod steady.
 
It would have been nice to have been able to see the crowd with the camera up top and the the second camera on the tripod's view probably should have been more straight on, but you've got some good closeups in here. $300 for a three camera shoot is beyond cheap, so they did get a steal of a deal.
 
If there's any saving grace, I think the shots look pretty good on youtube of the two girls singing as far as colors go and the compression for youtube is fine….so I'm sure the raw video is good. The wide & side shots are sub-par comparatively speaking.

Like Terry said, key points have been made already. This looks like a small potatoes gig anyways. Which Doobie you be?
 
yes the youtube video is just passable, shaky cam, bad framing for ther other ones, shot on full day, so no ambiance (it would have been a lot better at night), band is also just passable, seems there was almost no public (very important) and sound is also just passable (i usually avoid taking from the mixer because the real sound is alway a lot better).
And yes, for 300$ that just they can expect to get but sometimes you have to be clear with customer, they will not get an MTV clip in these conditions, just a capture of the event, and if they are no happy with the event , the DVD will just be a painfull proof of it.
For next time , add one more camera, set them to get closer, use a shoudler frame or stabilizer for the moving cam (and get closer), take the ambiant sound, show mor public audience (insert some head and shoulders).
 
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As others have stated, the YouTube sample looks very rough and isn't really all that great. Still worth $300 though.
 
As stated above, what was she expecting for $300? She got her moneys worth.

Slightly off topic question, how do you monitor the lock down camera's to make sure no chump knocks, steals, moves, blocks the shot etc?
Was someone watching them for you?
 
Not the best shots at all, as others have indicated.

That being said, a three camera shoot with editing, and SD DVD authoring for a 1.5 hour performance. She got more than her $300.00 worth.

Not certain what she expected for that amount of money.
 
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