C200: More C200 footage CVP
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The C200 uses the same sensor as the C300 Mark II.
Something I've been hoping to see is a comparison between the C300 Mark II RAW using an external recorder and the C200 internal RAW Lite. It's a bummer that in the comparison they showed, they didn't shoot the same subject matter at the same time so you could see a side-by-side comparison.
AndreeOnline
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How do you mean? Do you think they sent their footage to Canon for pre-approval before uploading to YouTube?
Kai caught my eye when he was a DigitalRev. I don't know if I saw his earliest stuff, but it was pretty fresh back then. An OK mix of information and entertainment. It has been my feeling once he left that he – to be on the safe side and true to his audience – goes a bit over the top with the comedy. It also gets a bit repetitive.
I have made a promise to myself — if I ever start to publish more formally in my own name: stay real, keep it honest and for f*ck's sake keep the humor to a minimum. I think blogging can be tedious. Sometimes they just try to be funny to entertain themselves.
For me personally, there is nothing here that adds to what we already have/knew. But all new links to information/opinion are welcome.
NorBro
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As a guy who's been through it all with cameras (like many here), and has a hard drive with 28 different cameras of test footage, I think these clips look like a Kinefinity camera.
It's difficult to explain, but it's like high-quality video with slightly altered colors.
puredrifting
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I find Kai to be much more of an entertainer than reviewer and that's okay. The only thing I really appreciated was seeing more C200 Cinema RAW Light footage, it looks really nice. But the .MP4 is no slouch either. The C200 may turn out to be like typical Canon C series cameras, a bit under-spec but if you know what you are doing, more than capable of world class imagery. If you do decide to blog, yes, please, make it more like Curtis Judd and Caleb Pike of DSLR Shooter, both pretty straightforward reviewers with excellent content. I am at the point now where when I tune in to a new YouTube channel for gear, if in the first :10 there is any sort of affect or trying too hard entertainment built-in, I shut it off. If people want to try to be entertaining, do a lifestyle blog, go sick. But if you are presenting yourself as an infomation source, viewers don't care about your schtick, just your skills in presenting information without putting us to sleep.
puredrifting
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I still cannot believe that out of all of the C200 videos, reviews, articles, clips, not a SINGLE person has shown or commented on how we will be able to relocate the grip on the C200. As you know, the C200 uses an Arri rosette mount for the grip and an external cable. Nobody has commented on how long the cable with the stock grip is, if there are third party or Canon cable extensions available, how it fits into the socket on the C200, how the new little plastic strain relief/routing doo-hickey works, etc. Guess I'll just have to figure it out myself, whih is fine but a bit annoying that reviewers and early adopters are commenting so much about the low hanging fruit, how the codec choices leave the camera in a weird market segment (I disagree) and zilch on how we will actually be able to use the camera once it delivers. Guess it's up to me to tell reviewers how to do their job. Instead of harping on the exact same stuff that every other Vlogger is harping on, how about answering questions that are important and significant to users actually shooting paid work for clients with the camera?
1. Does using the touchscreen require as light touch as Canon's DSLRs? Many are concerned about shooting with the C200 with a long lens, like say the Canon 100-400 4.5-5.6 IS II, will it result in camera shake?
2. How do we relocate and use the C200 grip when mounted to an Arri rosette off camera?
3. How does the new audio section sound? Lot of grumbling that Canon stuck with 16 bit/48Khz. How are the AES/EBU inputs to use with a digital mixer?
4. Is the battery life the same when shooting CFast versus SD?
5. What are all of the color profiles available? We know C-Log 3 and that C-Log 2 is only available when shooting Cinema RAW Light? What about the baked-in looks, are they the same as the C300 MKII? What does WDR look like for clients who go straight from camera to web or air? Does it even have WDR?
6. Does the C200 exhibit the same issues with NR and blues that they C300 MKII does/did?
7. Is the EVF identical to the C300 or something newer/different?
8. Is there anything new with the audio routing, channels, etc.?
9. I'm still trying to figure out a mounting location for the touchscreen when using the camera on shoulder with a third party EVF. Or if we don't use the touchscreen for focus, does the DPAF have the same functions as the C300 MKII where you can use the joystick to locate the focus box?
10. Actual battery life with the Canon batteries? Any more or less than expected with shooting Cinema RAW Light? Does shooting RAW suck down more battery than .MP4s?
11. Do the damn buttons light up? Everyone has been asking, nobody will answer
12. Is the slow and fast motion mappable to the usual buttons? I know it maxes out at 1080p 120 but can you map a ramp down to lower frame rates through external buttons or can that only be dialed-in on the menus?
13. Why can't somebody who is a decent DP shoot some green screen 4K 24p .MP4 and key it? How about A/Bing the Cinema RAW Light with the same scene's proxy 2K file?
14. Why doesn't someone shoot some nicely lit interior scenes? So far, if I am not mistaken, all we have seen from any C200 test are daylight/available light exteriors? Can't be bothered? Too much work?
15. Many would be interested to see the HDMI 4K recorded out to an Atomos 10-bit 4k recorder? A lot of these tests are being sponsored by retailers like CVP, so have at it guys? I know you have a Ninja Assasin or Shogun Inferno laying around, hook it up, A/B with the .MP4 and Cinema RAW Light.
I can go on...
1. Does using the touchscreen require as light touch as Canon's DSLRs? Many are concerned about shooting with the C200 with a long lens, like say the Canon 100-400 4.5-5.6 IS II, will it result in camera shake?
2. How do we relocate and use the C200 grip when mounted to an Arri rosette off camera?
3. How does the new audio section sound? Lot of grumbling that Canon stuck with 16 bit/48Khz. How are the AES/EBU inputs to use with a digital mixer?
4. Is the battery life the same when shooting CFast versus SD?
5. What are all of the color profiles available? We know C-Log 3 and that C-Log 2 is only available when shooting Cinema RAW Light? What about the baked-in looks, are they the same as the C300 MKII? What does WDR look like for clients who go straight from camera to web or air? Does it even have WDR?
6. Does the C200 exhibit the same issues with NR and blues that they C300 MKII does/did?
7. Is the EVF identical to the C300 or something newer/different?
8. Is there anything new with the audio routing, channels, etc.?
9. I'm still trying to figure out a mounting location for the touchscreen when using the camera on shoulder with a third party EVF. Or if we don't use the touchscreen for focus, does the DPAF have the same functions as the C300 MKII where you can use the joystick to locate the focus box?
10. Actual battery life with the Canon batteries? Any more or less than expected with shooting Cinema RAW Light? Does shooting RAW suck down more battery than .MP4s?
11. Do the damn buttons light up? Everyone has been asking, nobody will answer
12. Is the slow and fast motion mappable to the usual buttons? I know it maxes out at 1080p 120 but can you map a ramp down to lower frame rates through external buttons or can that only be dialed-in on the menus?
13. Why can't somebody who is a decent DP shoot some green screen 4K 24p .MP4 and key it? How about A/Bing the Cinema RAW Light with the same scene's proxy 2K file?
14. Why doesn't someone shoot some nicely lit interior scenes? So far, if I am not mistaken, all we have seen from any C200 test are daylight/available light exteriors? Can't be bothered? Too much work?
15. Many would be interested to see the HDMI 4K recorded out to an Atomos 10-bit 4k recorder? A lot of these tests are being sponsored by retailers like CVP, so have at it guys? I know you have a Ninja Assasin or Shogun Inferno laying around, hook it up, A/B with the .MP4 and Cinema RAW Light.
I can go on...
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brettsherman
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There's been a bit of a dearth of MP4 shot material. Understandable because everyone wants to try out the RAW feature. This plus a few other examples convince me that for my purposes the 4K MP4 is going to work just fine.
puredrifting
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Do you have source for this?
NorBro
Major Contributor
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1184817-REG/canon_0886c001_unix_description_un_5_unit.html
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1184818-REG/canon_0887c001_un_10_unit_cable_for.html
Says C300 Mark II, but the 1.6' serial # is the same item that is included in the bundled C200's accessories, so I'm assuming the cable will work for the C200, including the 3.3' version.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1184818-REG/canon_0887c001_un_10_unit_cable_for.html
Says C300 Mark II, but the 1.6' serial # is the same item that is included in the bundled C200's accessories, so I'm assuming the cable will work for the C200, including the 3.3' version.
Danilo Del Tufo
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I wonder how Kai is handling with one hand the camera and lens. I've tried the camera with the 24-105 f/4 L IS USM II and my hand started shaking after few seconds.
They say it's from C700 but slightly chopped to 8.8 MPX.
No. That they are making 10-15 min clips but only show 40 seconds of the actual footage and make their talking-straight-into-the-camera shots with other cameras. This may not make much difference on the DSLR reviews but even there the ratio of the reviews camera footage is much higher (in addition to the stills).
He has it resting on a railing or cement block of some sorts. Kai doesn't exactly look like Vasiliy Alexeyev.
And his entertainment style works for him and his audience ... which is generally not of the pro level.
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Danilo Del Tufo
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NorBro
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Yes, it's possible, but you can't do it for too long.
Strength will apply here, but it's still an awkward exercise for the body (mainly shoulder) to hold something up like that in front of you without any support from the bottom. Gravity is against you at all times.
The strongest men in the world who can bench, squat and deadlift 500-1000lbs do lateral raises for reps (which is similar to holding a camera like that) with 40-50lbs.
Strength will apply here, but it's still an awkward exercise for the body (mainly shoulder) to hold something up like that in front of you without any support from the bottom. Gravity is against you at all times.
The strongest men in the world who can bench, squat and deadlift 500-1000lbs do lateral raises for reps (which is similar to holding a camera like that) with 40-50lbs.
Danilo Del Tufo
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What do you think as alternative FS7 Mark II? Is a good camera? I've watched this channel : "https://vimeo.com/revisitar", they're a plenty of videos about FS7 that looks stunning but I dunno what parameters he used and what lenses he mounted on FS7.
NorBro
Major Contributor
I think the FS7 is a cool camera and I tinkered with it through 2015, but haven't since.
People mention this all of the time and I think PureDrifting even recently did the other day, but professionals can truly make any (or at least most) cameras shine, and I really believe that too.
You couldn't tell me that when I was a bit younger even a few years ago, but it's true. Obviously IQ is important to all of us, but there are other factors that are discussed here that should really be considered as well when choosing a camera.
I think the problem many of us face is that a lot of these cameras look good and it's difficult to decide which one to go with. There is a constant mental battle about something (tech specs, lenses, the "look", RAW capabilities, low-light performance, etc).
People mention this all of the time and I think PureDrifting even recently did the other day, but professionals can truly make any (or at least most) cameras shine, and I really believe that too.
You couldn't tell me that when I was a bit younger even a few years ago, but it's true. Obviously IQ is important to all of us, but there are other factors that are discussed here that should really be considered as well when choosing a camera.
I think the problem many of us face is that a lot of these cameras look good and it's difficult to decide which one to go with. There is a constant mental battle about something (tech specs, lenses, the "look", RAW capabilities, low-light performance, etc).
AndreeOnline
Veteran
One thing I picked up from the video that I hadn't read before is that the C200's SD card slots are UHS-II. That's interesting: UHS-I supports up to about 100 MB/s, while UHS-II supports up to 300 MB/s. That suggests to me that the XFAVC support Canon adds next year will be better than 8 bit 4:2:2. But it might also just be that it's becoming cheaper to support UHS-II and other Canon cameras will use the chipset and it's easier for Canon to use the same components.
Hey, maybe Canon will eventually support writing raw to the SD cards! The performance is there: Canon says that raw needs 1 Gbps. That's 125 MB/s - higher than UHS-I supports but comfortably within the UHS-II spec. Recording raw to SD would be great, as the cards as cheaper, readers more common, and perhaps you'd be able to use the two SD slots (or the CFast and an SD slot) to record raw to two cards simultaneously. For me, being able to record raw to only a single card is one of the C200's few weaknesses.
Hey, maybe Canon will eventually support writing raw to the SD cards! The performance is there: Canon says that raw needs 1 Gbps. That's 125 MB/s - higher than UHS-I supports but comfortably within the UHS-II spec. Recording raw to SD would be great, as the cards as cheaper, readers more common, and perhaps you'd be able to use the two SD slots (or the CFast and an SD slot) to record raw to two cards simultaneously. For me, being able to record raw to only a single card is one of the C200's few weaknesses.
puredrifting
Major Contributor
We are talking about two different cables here. You are talking about the audio video cables from the body of the C300 MKII to the monitor/XLR unti and I am talking about the new external cable on the C200 handgrip that goes from the handgrip to a new receptacle on the C200 body. The C300 MKII has a totally different handgrip/cable setup that requires the Wooden Camera or Zacuto grip relocater while the C200 has a new set up that has an integrated external cable while the handgrip mounts to a standard Arri rosette. It looks like a normal 3.5mm cable but I have not seen macro shots to be able to verify exactly what kind of connection it uses. Nobody has mentioned or commented in any review or from Canon exactly how this new setup works when you want to relocate the grip to a handgrip extension arm for shoulder mounted shooting or to a rear handle for tripod, studio configuration. I can't be the only one in the world who plans on mounting the C200 to a Zacuto VCT Pro baseplate, extension arm for the handgrip, adding a Gratical Eye EVF to the camera? But it appears that nobody else has thought about how this will work yet?
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